The Ninja Superthread

[Dervy]

1) Yes Crafted gear is better
2) Yes, it's based on what secondary stats can provide
3) Yes and no. Noticeable on paper. But comparing a full i130 vs BiS crafted gear using a parser? Very unlikely due to RNG.

Though, if you obtain crafted pieces earlier on, you'll notice a significant difference in DPS. That is for certain.

[Best-MNK-NA]

why are so many spamming Doton on 1 mob?

They're bad at the job.

So I finally got a chance to test LB + TA. Without TA LB1 averaged 7.9k-8.1k damage. With TA it did 8.7k-8.9k damage. So it's good enough for me to confirm: Trick Attack does combo with Limit Break.

[Kazard]

hey guys, just came up with a BiS, what do you think? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PCT7

BTW i'm using 0.19 as stat weight for SS since i'm playing from EU on servers located in NA, with a fluctuating 130ms.
got t13 on farm for a while, really hoping to get those daggers soon.

[treuhavik]

hey guys, just came up with a BiS, what do you think? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PCT7

Using the same skill speed weight I used for the sets in the OP, this one does come out slightly higher (+498.931), though 4x i110 left side may be pushing it for HP.

Thanks! Added to the OP.

[Aiurily]

i think the thing about pushing multiple crafted pieces is that it'll start heavily adjusting your actual stat weights eventually to the point where the baseline dex is too low for the weights to be relevant anymore. i don't think 5 pieces is pushing it, but you would have to simulate it for ninja to see i guess (at some point for the drg thread, with 9 pieces crafted with the highest theoretical weights, it did less dps than a set less crafted pieces and lower weights in simulator)

anyway, poverty melds v2 -

locking in an 18 acc belt/ring and lowering skillspeed weight to 0.18 (out of curiosity) ariyala spits out a different gearset that only has 369 skillspeed. as much of a real weight skill speed has, i'm still not very fond of it past a certain point, so it looks nicer than other crafted sets which get a good amount of their weight advantage from skill speed.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PD61

weighing this vs noncrafted bis with 0.18 skillspeed weight, it's 5.135 more effective dex for only 2 melded pieces and vitality stays the same because of flint caviar vs catfish, though the real highlight for me is only having 369 skill speed and also having a great amount of det (411 det!) while being affordable; the only hard melds are accuracy +9 in 3rd/4th slots of both items (16%/10% iirc).

even if you're too poor/stingy/unlucky for that like i am, you can do 9/9 on one item and 9/6 on the other to get http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PD5Y . it's 4.908 effective dex, 0.227 lower with lower det in exchange for higher crit/skillspeed, but still good especially for the cost. it'd probably take you less than 5m to craft and meld both pieces if your server prices are reasonable.

[treuhavik]

as much of a real weight skill speed has, i'm still not very fond of it past a certain point

I feel ya here. Even with 399 skill speed, I'm having some TP issues in final coil, though I'm sure my Invig timing could be better 80% of the time. I'll always prefer more DET or Crit, even if the SS I'm sacrificing technically out weighs it by a few points.

[Kaze3434]

Ive a question for you guys.
In recent days, almost every ninja I've grouped with (as a tank) has been spamming Doton on ST fights.
Odin, 2 ninjas kept using Doton.
AKHM, 2 ninjas again kept using Doton for all ST boss phases.
WoD, again, seeing a LOT of Doton on ST bosses. IE its planted right under the boss, while the adds are spawning (and being tanked) along the sides.

Doton, if all ticks land, is 240 aoe potency. On 1 target, thats still 240.
Raiton is 360... 360 > 240... so why are so many spamming Doton on 1 mob?

whenever me or my friend who plays ninja see this we ask if they messed up the mudra. if they didnt, then we ask them if they know how dots work. 9/10 they dont.

[treuhavik]

Ive a question for you guys.
In recent days, almost every ninja I've grouped with (as a tank) has been spamming Doton on ST fights.
Odin, 2 ninjas kept using Doton.
AKHM, 2 ninjas again kept using Doton for all ST boss phases.
WoD, again, seeing a LOT of Doton on ST bosses. IE its planted right under the boss, while the adds are spawning (and being tanked) along the sides.

Doton, if all ticks land, is 240 aoe potency. On 1 target, thats still 240.
Raiton is 360... 360 > 240... so why are so many spamming Doton on 1 mob?

whenever me or my friend who plays ninja see this we ask if they messed up the mudra. if they didnt, then we ask them if they know how dots work. 9/10 they dont.

Yeah... It seems a lot of people (not just NINs) take one glance at their ability tool-tips and use them based on that impression. I'm sure these Ninjas are thinking "It's a DoT, why wouldn't I want to put it up?" because, like I said, they aren't actually putting any effort into learning the skills before they use them.

Unfortunately, we can't make people "play good". All we can do is put together resources like this and hope enough people don't want to suck.

[Kiyomu]

So I finally got a chance to test LB + TA. Without TA LB1 averaged 7.9k-8.1k damage. With TA it did 8.7k-8.9k damage. So it's good enough for me to confirm: Trick Attack does combo with Limit Break.

I tested this after seeing this post. With the same party and performed done on a training dummy, LB1 did 8.2k while TA LB1 did 8.1k. Trick Attack does not combo with Limit Break.

[Kilio]

I tested this after seeing this post. With the same party and performed done on a training dummy, LB1 did 8.2k while TA LB1 did 8.1k. Trick Attack does not combo with Limit Break.

+1 to above post. Tried it too with the same party on a training dummy, LB1 did 8.5k while LB1+TA did 8.1k