No I agree the tank sets the pace and should look at the dps. I was just really pointing out that not enough dps is what make large pulls fail not the whm. I am not actually blaming the dps jobs either just the amount of dps that cause a large pull too fail. Allot dont check dps some are attacking mobs before I even get protect up. I have also run with some of the best tanks, so we cant blame all.