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  1. #91
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    Zedd702's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    Personaly as a healer, I dont mind if a tank starts pulling alot of mobs, aslong as he/she doesnt start raging towards the healer (when) if he/she dies.
    Fixt that for ya.

    The tanks always blame the healer, before looking at the possibilities of them biting off more than they chew.
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  2. #92
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    Gode Shenon
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    As a Tank who mainly does DF alone (thats how a Carreer-Tank, or someone who wants to be one, learns how to react to every possible Scenario) i encountered alot of different Groups. I always pull only one Group at the beginning to see what everyone is capable off. Though im one of those Tanks who waits for the Healer to buff the Group at the start, after that, its Rushing-Time.

    Lately, its mostly Ninja and Dragoon or Monk in the DF. If the Healer is good enough, then there is no Reason not to do larger pulls if they know what they are doing.

    Another thing, sometimes, its DPS who nearly wipe the Group...Just happened today: After a pretty big Pull was finished off, i´ll take the next Single Mob to regain MP and my Def-CD´s...then one DPS rushed ahead and pulls 2 big Groups...which is not a good Idea if the Tank has almost no MP and no Def-CD´s ready.
    Didn´t wipe though, but its pretty annoying to try to regain MP - Flash - Sidestepping AE´s and making sure noone is getting too much Aggro (in a Scenario like that, its mostly the Healer who has the most Aggro)


    So for those overeager DPS: If you get a Tank who does large Pulls all the Time and suddenly tanks only a single Mob without pulling more, then there is a Reason for that. Most of the Time its to regain MP and have some Def-CD´s ready for the next big Pull.


    Back to the Topic at Hand, I´ll go as fast as i can depending on the Group composition and if there are no Complaints , i´ll continue with that Pace.
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  3. #93
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    Well I am glad to see it is not just me who feels this way. My main is blm but I am doing zodiac dungeons as whm for queue. Now I am iLev111 and moderately adept - but the tanks have been driving me crazy. They all want to pull as much as is humanly possible regardless of anything. Some of them do well at it and we have no problems - but others go down so fast I can't cure as fast as they go down, nvm regen or heaven forbid an esuna. Its like they don't realize there is a global cooldown.

    So because I've only been doing lev 50 dungeons for a few months, I don't know if I just suck terribly or if I am actually supposed to be able to keep warrior in Snowcloak with 7k HP up, when he pulls ALL the things at the beginning, including those wolf things that hit like trucks. Add running off without buffs that we have to wait to cast because of that one person in cutscene, and interrupting Stoneskin II by engaging before its done casting is just really making it a pita.
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  4. #94
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojah View Post
    I don't know if I just suck terribly or if I am actually supposed to be able to keep warrior in Snowcloak with 7k HP up, when he pulls ALL the things at the beginning, including those wolf things that hit like trucks.
    7K HP in Snowcloak? That WAR is severely under-geared for speed running (I think that's... i80-85 HP). They're either stupid for trying to speed run in the first place or they're easily 'persuaded' by peer pressure (assuming the DPS requested/demanded speed runs).
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  5. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shenon View Post
    Another thing, sometimes, its DPS who nearly wipe the Group...Just happened today: After a pretty big Pull was finished off, i´ll take the next Single Mob to regain MP and my Def-CD´s...then one DPS rushed ahead and pulls 2 big Groups...which is not a good Idea if the Tank has almost no MP and no Def-CD´s ready.
    Didn´t wipe though, but its pretty annoying to try to regain MP - Flash - Sidestepping AE´s and making sure noone is getting too much Aggro (in a Scenario like that, its mostly the Healer who has the most Aggro)


    So for those overeager DPS: If you get a Tank who does large Pulls all the Time and suddenly tanks only a single Mob without pulling more, then there is a Reason for that. Most of the Time its to regain MP and have some Def-CD´s ready for the next big Pull.
    In regards to this quoted piece: Let the DPS die. I can't state it enough. The Tanks job is to manage aggro, not for the DPS to tell the tank how much he can manage or control. When I tank, if a DPS pulls mobs to me I will NOT grab their aggro. I will (repeat) pull up a lawnchair and Watch. Them. Die.

    Regarding the rest of your post: That's the definition of a tank that actually tanks and observes what the team can handle. Not someone who runs into the fires of hell and expect the healer to keep you alive with a glass of water...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    7K HP in Snowcloak? That WAR is severely under-geared for speed running (I think that's... i80-85 HP). They're either stupid for trying to speed run in the first place or they're easily 'persuaded' by peer pressure (assuming the DPS requested/demanded speed runs).
    That's a Warrior who pretty much forgot to turn on Defiance lol. Happens alot, especially when crafting before queue pops and you swap to class and forget to turn on Shield Oath or Defiance.
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  6. #96
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    Dunya Musta'sim
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    Oh lord and I thought i was unlucky to deal with crazy tank pulling whole snowcloak zone, met one tank who did that and 1 dps always afk or brb at start always always happen .

    Why tanks rush like superman with STR equip why??? I ended up letting one die and left didn't wanna bother to explain anymore since players u meet at df are ridiculous .
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  7. #97
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    Fran Seara
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    So because I've only been doing lev 50 dungeons for a few months, I don't know if I just suck terribly or if I am actually supposed to be able to keep warrior in Snowcloak with 7k HP up, when he pulls ALL the things at the beginning, including those wolf things that hit like trucks. Add running off without buffs that we have to wait to cast because of that one person in cutscene, and interrupting Stoneskin II by engaging before its done casting is just really making it a pita.[/QUOTE]

    I had the sme problem with Snowcloak, but my tnak a PLD had 5800 HP, I had more on my Scholar. Died twice with SS,Aldo,SS,eye for an eye and protect with EoS locked on him. wouldnt stop pull 4 and 5 pack of mods.
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  8. #98
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    Sir Nashred
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYoung187 View Post
    Tanks get raged on for going too fast, then get raged on for going too slow. It's a no win situation for them. It is usually the ones whining about going too slow that are the loudest. Most tanks just get it ingrained into their mind that they have to go fast.
    Did you read what you posted? Of coarse they will get raged on for going too slow or too fast. The key word is too. They should be going the correct speed for the party make-up never too slow or two fast. Start out testing the the group can do and pick up pace as need be.

    Personally I would rather be slow than too fast and have to start over.
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  9. #99
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    Also most pulls that are too large are blamed on the whm and they should be blamed on the dps.. A whm can only heal so fast and only a few abilities to heal a little more or faster. Once the tank abilities wear off the mobs need to be reduced to a manageable level.. If dps aint enough and there are to many mobs left you all die.
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  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nashred View Post
    Also most pulls that are too large are blamed on the whm and they should be blamed on the dps.. A whm can only heal so fast and only a few abilities to heal a little more or faster. Once the tank abilities wear off the mobs need to be reduced to a manageable level.. If dps aint enough and there are to many mobs left you all die.
    Actually that is the tanks fault for biting off more than he can chew. The tank should only pull what he and the healer can handle comfortably. If DPS is really high, then pull more, but you really cant blame DPS, unless they are afking or pulling more mobs to the tank.

    But to dance around like you are walking on burning coal, without popping cooldowns, just surviving off what the healer can do for you, that is unacceptable and the fault of the tank for not taking proper measures. Will there be some oopsies like "I forgot to turn on Shield Oath or Defiance" or "Sorry I thought I was healing the tank, but I was actually healing myself, checked to see if I had CS on, but I derped and just did not target the tank?" Of course! I am just as guilty as I am a victim in that example, but that's a forgivable laughable moment.
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    Last edited by Zedd702; 12-31-2014 at 04:13 AM.

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