Materia and spiritbonding in dungeons - counter to spirit of game

[Hiruke]

I had an amazing experience today in Cutter's Cry where this awful PLD came in to do some spiritbonding. His entire right side was all spiritbonding junk and a Meteor Survivor Ring. He also wasn't a very good tank. Took forever to pull, constantly lost hate. Then, when we get part of the way through the 3rd leg of the dungeon, he just quits the dungeon. Why? I'm betting because SPIRITBOND COMPLETE GUYS. Great, I didn't want to finish the dungeon or get xp or anything.

I remain mystified why the dev team saw fit to implement such an unfriendly system:

1) Pure RNG. No skill involves.
2) Incentivizes wearing garbage gear, even in actual content where you are matched with players trying to actually get things done.
3) Required to actually craft, since you need full materia melded crafting gear to do endgame crafting. Feeds heavily into 1).
4) Required to do relic. Costs millions upon MILLIONS or even more ridiculous amounts of time to make an optimized relic. Feeds heavily into 1)

[MXMoondoggie]

It annoys me the most when people leave after they get what they wanted. To them DF is just a people dispenser for their own ends. If you are going to use DF at least honor it and finish unless there is a real reason to leave. People do this in DD too because of the XP from the first few mobs they'll do that and then leave so they can start over with a new group and do the exact same thing.

[Ehayte]

Uhh... unless his gear was appropriate level for the duty it wouldn't have spiritbonded at all. If he was wearing healer gear or something then you have a case.

Maybe he was just a moron?

[Urthdigger]

2) Incentivizes wearing garbage gear, even in actual content where you are matched with players trying to actually get things done.

This is, for the most part, untrue. After a recent change, gear no longer gains spiritbond if it's too low below the level of the dungeon. In fact, level appropriate gear spiritbinds the fastest of them all. That said, there IS an issue with folks wearing crafting/gathering gear to dungeons to spiritbind in, but in order to fix that they'd likely first have to massively increase the rate crafting and gathering spiritbinds gear (It is currently ABYSMAL)

[FranSeara]

I SB in Dfs but only with gear that good for my job. I SB in CT, its the only place I know that level 70 gear will SB. I never put SB'ing ahead of my team. If I feel that I'm not helping or doing well I'll switch
to a better set for the DF.

[Synestr]

I SB whenever I can in DF, but only in High Level roulettes and ONLY after asking if the team doesn't mind. It's usually a i70 weapon that needs to be finished off from when I was running to my relic. AND I ONLY SB ON TRASH. Bosses get my full effort. I was happy to find that High Level Roulettes SB i70, I know CT does as well but at what rate? Is it faster than High Level Dungs? I get usually 23-32% if not more with mass pulls, in there, and in less time that would take CT I would assume. So I'm curious.

[FranSeara]

I SB whenever I can in DF, but only in High Level roulettes and ONLY after asking if the team doesn't mind. It's usually a i70 weapon that needs to be finished off from when I was running to my relic. AND I ONLY SB ON TRASH. Bosses get my full effort. I was happy to find that High Level Roulettes SB i70, I know CT does as well but at what rate? Is it faster than High Level Dungs? I get usually 23-32% if not more with mass pulls, in there, and in less time that would take CT I would assume. So I'm curious.

For me CT is safer to SB level 70. The item level for CT is 45-48?? At Item Level 70, you're OP anyway.

[monochromicorn]

For me CT is safer to SB level 70. The item level for CT is 45-48?? At Item Level 70, you're OP anyway.

Labrynth is a IL 50 raid.

If you really want to sb, ex does wonders for 90+, and even I can make some of that stuff

[Synestr]

Labrynth is a IL 50 raid.

If you really want to sb, ex does wonders for 90+, and even I can make some of that stuff

Just to clarify, when you say EX, you mean Expert roulettes yes? That would make the most sense. If so, I shall kick myself for not thinking of this earlier. Plenty of i90 accs that I have made that could be bonded....the possibilities are endless.

[monochromicorn]

Yes the ex dungeons, the new ones are perfect for high level, the last dungeons in ex roulette would have worked better for 90s. Sure IL 90 is a bit high for sb I think, but if you can do it, why not? And depending on the class, one or 2 accessories not pertaining to the class aren't bad, just don't be that guy with a full crafter set on