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    Player
    BidoofJinh's Avatar
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    Bidoof Jinh
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    Marauder Lv 50

    Duty Finder how I love you

    39 Minutes left on Dungeon Timer.

    Wiping twice on second Qarn Boss.

    Oh the fun.
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    Last edited by BidoofJinh; 12-28-2014 at 04:06 AM.

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    ChameleonMS's Avatar
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    Jordan O'niell
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Been there. Done that. As healer I took it upon myself to explain the mechanics and do the marking, one more wipe and we got threw it.
    But explanations do not always work, was in Titan normal a little while ago as a tank, there were repeated wipes, repeated instructions provided as to how to avoid Landslides, Weight of the land, where to stand during Geocrush; and the players just were not getting better. With 6 minutes left I voted to abandon, after more than 10 wipes.
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    Garlyle's Avatar
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    Alvis Yune
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    Adamantoise
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    Fisher Lv 70
    Oh, congrats on making it to the second boss of Qarn.

    My first time to Qarn we literally could not clear the first boss and we ran out the duty finder timer trying.

    (I've always liked Qarn for exactly that reason though; it's mostly optional and basically is a sample of things to come in terms of difficulty and execution, which is a nice break from all the relatively easy stuff that gets thrown at you in the game up to that point)

    But explanations do not always work, was in Titan normal a little while ago as a tank, there were repeated wipes,
    Titan stomps a lot of new players into the ground. I took a group of three new players in our FC into Titan once (as the healer to boot!) and it took us 50 minutes to clear, and two were so mad at the game by the end they had to take a day off. These days two of those are literally among our FC's best in terms of skill in their class and at handling mechanics in coil. It's just that Titan is often the first challenge tuned in such a way to actually feel punishing for mistakes. Haukke and Brayflox can do notable damage, but most players won't even notice if there's a decent healer backing them up; I've watched too many tanks cluelessly just eat the poison line AoE on the last boss in Brayflox. With Titan? Getting landslided off the edge is really, really hard not to notice.
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    Last edited by Garlyle; 12-28-2014 at 08:06 AM.

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    Hybris-Maenad's Avatar
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    Hybris Maenad
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    Exodus
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    Archer Lv 50
    God forbid you have to actually type up explanations of the mechanics...
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    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Miles Saintborough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad View Post
    God forbid you have to actually type up explanations of the mechanics...
    "Go watch a video" is the most popular "explanation".
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    LunaHoshino's Avatar
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    Luna Hoshino
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    Gilgamesh
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad View Post
    God forbid you have to actually type up explanations of the mechanics...
    Even doing that won't help some people. I was helping an FCmate with story mode Garuda on his alt (so he'd run it before and knew the fight) along with another FCmate and a healer who was brand-new to the fight. We explained the mechanics to them, marked where they should stand during the different parts... and they still died EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. We wiped probably nine or ten times and every time it was their fault-- eventually we ran out of time without clearing it.
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    Shurelia Chan
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad View Post
    God forbid you have to actually type up explanations of the mechanics...
    "Why should some stranger help you if you aren't willing to help yourself?"

    This was cemented into us by our DI. It's also a pretty good quote to live by in general (both ingame and irl). Be self sufficient and read or watch a guide ahead of time. I had enough self awareness and courtesy for other players to spend two seconds Googling a guide for coil/dungeons/primals before jumping into said encounter when I returned to the game three weeks ago after a 8+ month break.
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    Hybris Maenad
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Deculture View Post
    "Why should some stranger help you if you aren't willing to help yourself?"
    We're not talking endgame raids or primals here, just a basic dungeon. If you know the mechanics to a fight, you know why you wipe whenever it happens. I'd rather waste 90 seconds typing than waste 5 minutes wiping again.

    Maybe too many of you guys are learning from videos instead of picking up mechanics. They're easy to explain for the everyday stuff you'll run with randoms.
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    Ephigee Wright
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    I sadly meant the worst player in this game doing a Qarn run this morning. Makes me ashamed to be a scholar.

    Skill-wise? Nope, she knew her stuff.
    Gear-wise? No again, decked out in raiding gear.
    Being an all-around decent human being? Bingo.

    Yeah the tank was a bit under-geared, but she then proceeded to belittle everyone in the group, especially the tank about how things were proceeding. Lets the tank die twice, just to prove a point. I'm not sure what the point was, maybe that she had the power to wipe the group a couple of times. Starts pulling mobs before the tank is even caught up to us, again causing a wipe.

    She then tells the tank he has terrible gear and that he should stick to another class, cause he sucks as a tank, just prior to us pulling the final boss.

    Give me a mediocre healer with a decent attitude over this POS any day. Yukari, I hope to never have the misfortune of grouping with you again.
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    Alvis Yune
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    Adamantoise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybris-Maenad View Post
    God forbid you have to actually type up explanations of the mechanics...
    If knowing the mechanics was all it took to actually be good at them we'd all be done Turn 13 by now.
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