I want to stop playing Summoner.... But I cant

[Akiza]

1. SMN is great. Don't let anybody tell you differently. Especially those whining about MP problems who refuse to just suck it up and lose 10-15 DPS in order to actually have mana in the longest fights.

2. Bane is literally the greatest thing. People call BLM+BLM the king of speedruns, but I'd actually claim that BLM+SMN is better. It's the perfect blend of AOE madness and Single Target destruction.

10-15 DPS is over 9,000 damage over the course of a fight and no other job suffers from this.
Black Mage has better single target damage then the Summoner since they got buffed in 2.2 and have better sustained DPS then the Summoner.

[Lilyarel]

10-15 DPS is over 9,000 damage over the course of a fight and no other job suffers from this.
Black Mage has better single target damage then the Summoner since they got buffed in 2.2 and have better sustained DPS then the Summoner.

But dont worry, Summoner has a use. With that extremely rare chance that someone will die, they can res them. >_>

[scarebearz]

10-15 DPS is over 9,000 damage over the course of a fight and no other job suffers from this.

BLM has to lower their dps in order to regain MP (ice/mp regain is a huge dps loss), whats the difference?

You can't really expect to use Fester for every aether stack in a long fight.

[Donjo]

10-15 DPS is over 9,000 damage over the course of a fight and no other job suffers from this.
Black Mage has better single target damage then the Summoner since they got buffed in 2.2 and have better sustained DPS then the Summoner.

First, 9000 damage is chump change in the Final Coil, where bosses start with 900k and quickly climb to over 1 million HP each, which doesn't even include adds. Second, a SMN loses more damage by running out of MP than by using Energy Drain. Whining about using Energy Drain is equivalent to a BLM whining about having to move in the middle of a fight.

Also, BLM's have better sustained DPS than every DPS class in the game. It's literally their thing.

[Lavieh]

First, 9000 damage is chump change in the Final Coil, where bosses start with 900k and quickly climb to over 1 million HP each, which doesn't even include adds. Second, a SMN loses more damage by running out of MP than by using Energy Drain. Whining about using Energy Drain is equivalent to a BLM whining about having to move in the middle of a fight..

9000 Damage is a lot... that is an LB or easily a wipe to enrage. Regardless it is low, DPS should be balanced to some degree.

SMN loses damage either way

And, Sorry it is not that equivalent at all....

[Donjo]

9000 Damage is a lot... that is an LB or easily a wipe to enrage. Regardless it is low, DPS should be balanced to some degree.

SMN loses damage either way

And, Sorry it is not that equivalent at all....

9000 damage is 5 seconds. If you miss an enrage by 5 seconds, there are a million other things you can do to fix it other than trying to convince the SMN that they're bringing down the group.

9000 damage isn't an LB1. A LB2 or 3 would exceed it quite handily.

And, you're right. It's not equivalent. A BLM loses much more than 15 DPS in a movement intensive fight. SMNs would still just lose 15. Yet, BLMs aren't filling the forums to bursting with complaining posts, are they?

[ShaolinMike]

9000 damage is 5 seconds. If you miss an enrage by 5 seconds, there are a million other things you can do to fix it other than trying to convince the SMN that they're bringing down the group.

9000 damage isn't an LB1. A LB2 or 3 would exceed it quite handily.

And, you're right. It's not equivalent. A BLM loses much more than 15 DPS in a movement intensive fight. SMNs would still just lose 15. Yet, BLMs aren't filling the forums to bursting with complaining posts, are they?

BLMs aren't complaining because the Final Coil fights aren't movement-intensive. There's a lot of standing still, which allows BLMs to shine as being the turret class that they are and just "pew-pew" everything to death.

[scarebearz]

Final Coil fights aren't movement-intensive.

lol?

T11, T13 not movement-intensive?

[ShaolinMike]

lol?

T11, T13 not movement-intensive?

Not to the extent that T6,7 and 9 were.

[Lavieh]

9000 damage isn't an LB1. A LB2 or 3 would exceed it quite handily.

LB1 does about 9000 or less.

God your ignorance is amazing though, do you even play the same game I do?

Resource Management has nothing to do with move intensity.

SMNs lose DPS in move intense fights as well.

SMNs lose more DPS by using energy drain and moving.

SMNs are already lower dps than BLM by a huge margin.

Also BLM's did complain for a VERY long time, until they got a dps boost to equivalent to the dps they lost whilst moving. Play BLM how it should be and you realize that in most fights you can get away without moving a whole lot.