I want to stop playing Summoner.... But I cant

[Lilyarel]

I dont enjoy it, I feel like a massive liability to the team. Whenever I join a group I feel like people are going "ugh, gotta carry this stupid Summoner." The only reason I havnt dropped the class was because I did the first stage of the relic for the job at the time i enjoyed summoner, but as time went on I couldnt shake the feeling that I was becoming more aware of how bad the job is. And I just didnt have anything to offer. When the tank does big pulls I always feel like I'm going "Dont worry! Let me slowly and gruelingly kill these!"

[HulveinBlitz]

SMNs never need carrying.

Far from it. You sound like you want to play a BLM though.

If so go for it. But SMNs never need carrying, nor are they weak. If you enjoy it, improve enough so you dont feel like a stupid SMN xD.

All about the player, not the class.

[scarebearz]

If you play well, any dps class with be fine to do great damage (some like SMN with added support such as raise etc), if you play bad, you'll need carrying regardless of the class.

[Donjo]

1. SMN is great. Don't let anybody tell you differently. Especially those whining about MP problems who refuse to just suck it up and lose 10-15 DPS in order to actually have mana in the longest fights.

2. Bane is literally the greatest thing. People call BLM+BLM the king of speedruns, but I'd actually claim that BLM+SMN is better. It's the perfect blend of AOE madness and Single Target destruction.

[Akiza]

1. SMN is great. Don't let anybody tell you differently. Especially those whining about MP problems who refuse to just suck it up and lose 10-15 DPS in order to actually have mana in the longest fights.

2. Bane is literally the greatest thing. People call BLM+BLM the king of speedruns, but I'd actually claim that BLM+SMN is better. It's the perfect blend of AOE madness and Single Target destruction.

10-15 DPS is over 9,000 damage over the course of a fight and no other job suffers from this.
Black Mage has better single target damage then the Summoner since they got buffed in 2.2 and have better sustained DPS then the Summoner.

[Lilyarel]

10-15 DPS is over 9,000 damage over the course of a fight and no other job suffers from this.
Black Mage has better single target damage then the Summoner since they got buffed in 2.2 and have better sustained DPS then the Summoner.

But dont worry, Summoner has a use. With that extremely rare chance that someone will die, they can res them. >_>

[Starkbeaumont]

I dont enjoy it, I feel like a massive liability to the team. Whenever I join a group I feel like people are going "ugh, gotta carry this stupid Summoner." The only reason I havnt dropped the class was because I did the first stage of the relic for the job at the time i enjoyed summoner, but as time went on I couldnt shake the feeling that I was becoming more aware of how bad the job is. And I just didnt have anything to offer."

Show them how to play then? SMN is fine for almost everything except for long drawn out fights without many breaks in between (which you'll only see in the hardest content of the game anyway) or if you have to be the raise battery for those "stronger" but dead members of your group.
Just play the job and be good at it. Ignore those ppl that claim how smn is bad all of a sudden when in the end nothing has changed about it at all.

And while AoE on SMN is not as easy as it is on BLM for the really big pulls, you have to be really bad to not outdamage the average melee in those situations (ring of thorns spamming drgs, ninja's that only use Doton and believe that's all of their aoe or mnks that don't even know about their aoe skills).

[scarebearz]

10-15 DPS is over 9,000 damage over the course of a fight and no other job suffers from this.

BLM has to lower their dps in order to regain MP (ice/mp regain is a huge dps loss), whats the difference?

You can't really expect to use Fester for every aether stack in a long fight.

[Dyvid]

SMNs never need carrying.

Far from it. You sound like you want to play a BLM though.

If so go for it. But SMNs never need carrying, nor are they weak. If you enjoy it, improve enough so you dont feel like a stupid SMN xD.

All about the player, not the class.

Couldn't say it better myself. I've never felt like a liability except on certain dungeon (stupid Tam-Tara HM). Honestly OP, if you're getting hung up on dungeon speed runs then you should switch to BLM. If you really really want to play summoner here is a good rotation for big pulls. raging strike > swiftcast shadowflare > miasma II > (bI + bII + M + contagion + Bane) > (spur/rouse + aerial slash) > cycle target till you find one that isn't DoTed and add (bI + bII + M + Bane). You can even use Aerial Blast if you aren't saving it for bosses.

[Akiza]

He's talking about FCOB