The Ninja Superthread

[Butcherboy]

Maintaining the debuff would be less TP usage than using Aeolian.

I mean that for tank to stop applying debuff. Ninja doing the debuff is less TP used

[Viridiana]

I mean that for tank to stop applying debuff. Ninja doing the debuff is less TP used

Yeah, somehow I got really confused reading your comment and didn't realize that we were saying the same thing, sorry. @_@

Edit: Just noticed something on Ariyala's. . .can anyone with a new Zodiak weapon confirm if the minor stat caps are actually the same as the Dreadwyrm weapon despite a 10 ilvl difference?

[Best-MNK-NA]

Yeah, somehow I got really confused reading your comment and didn't realize that we were saying the same thing, sorry. @_@

Edit: Just noticed something on Ariyala's. . .can anyone with a new Zodiak weapon confirm if the minor stat caps are actually the same as the Dreadwyrm weapon despite a 10 ilvl difference?

Ariyala's is just really messed up for relic. Perfect Sasuke's is 49 crit 35 det. Got mine today!

[Viridiana]

Ariyala's is just really messed up for relic. Perfect Sasuke's is 49 crit 35 det. Got mine today!

Okay, that makes way more sense. It's not enough to sway anything either way, because WD is king, but I was looking at it like wtf?

[Ephier]

Ariyala's is just really messed up for relic. Perfect Sasuke's is 49 crit 35 det. Got mine today!

If you want to be technical DET/CRIT relic is actually not the best relic for NIN, DET/ACC is.

Posted below is stats calculations with food.

DET/ACC relic 477crit(107.802)/406det(131.95)/385ss(82.775) = 322.527 Dex

DET/CRIT relic 483crit(109.158)/392det(127.4)/398ss(85.57) = 322.128 Dex

WD: 9.132
DEX: 1
DET: 0.325
CRT: 0.226
SS: 0.215

So not only is DET/ACC *SLIGHTLY* better, it is WAY cheaper.

But that is with current gear, depending on what Odin drops, along with other items from 2.5 this is subject to change.

[treuhavik]

Thanks for sharing that, Leggerless! OP updated with "DoT Effects" and note on NIN/DE added.

[Viridiana]

DET/ACC relic 477crit(107.802)/406det(131.95)/385ss(82.775) = 322.527 Dex

DET/CRIT relic 483crit(109.158)/392det(127.4)/398ss(85.57) = 322.128 Dex

Acc/Det: 572crit(129.272)/374det(121.55)/482ss(103.63) = 354.452 Dex

Crit/Det: 567crit(128.142)/393det(127.725)/464ss(99.76) = 355.627 Dex

Those being much closer to actual "relic BIS". Crit/Det still wins.

[Ephier]

Acc/Det: 572crit(129.272)/374det(121.55)/482ss(103.63) = 354.452 Dex

Crit/Det: 567crit(128.142)/393det(127.725)/464ss(99.76) = 355.627 Dex

Those being much closer to actual "relic BIS". Crit/Det still wins.

Nevermind I see it. hyperlinks weren't showing on phone.

[Aiurily]

i got bored and did tests

2.00 GCD exactly, 30 fps video. tests in estate area, mudra speed was pretty good, about as fast as this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqutYpkQqmg)

1 mudra->ninjutsu (fuma) - 0 frames clipped, GCD goes off as soon as it's up
2 mudra->ninjutsu (raiton) - 14 frames clipped after GCD goes off CD; about 0.467s of gcd clipping
3 mudra->ninjutsu (huton) - 35 (!) frames clipped after GCD goes off cd; about 1.167s of gcd clipping

edit: over 3 mins, doing this rotation for ninjutsu would be 9.337s of GCD clipped by ninjutsu. that's assuming you get the first seal off as soon as your GCD's animation lock is over always, and that the mudra speed stays consistent throughout.

suiton>raiton>raiton>huton>
suiton>raiton>huton>
suiton>raiton>raiton>huton

if you replace the non-kassatsu raitons with fuma shuriken, you save 1.401s of gcd, losing about 129.6 potency in exchange. if you replace all of them, you save 2.335s of gcd, losing 259.2 potency or so. shoddy math warning.

[Dervy]

That'll actually help as now I have to rework the Ninja model slightly.

Can you replicate those numbers constantly, or do they change each time you do your rotation? Also, what's your latency?