Group doesn't have a BRD, how are melee supposed to dps?

[Aiurily]

"proper tp management" actually means literally shitposting and denying anything that puts you in the wrong (lol at calling someone a troll when they call you out). delete more of your posts so you don't look ignorant.

this brd thinks paeon for themselves while having to hold gcds because of tp, 1 tp starved melee dps, and 1 dps who can gain dps from having surplus tp (monk with tod/fracture rotations) is worse than foes for 1 caster, all on a dummy tier fight. hilariously wrong, especially when you don't have a ninja and you have 2 tp starved melee dps instead of 1

anyway, holding your gcds so you can "go all out when your buffs are up" is a novel idea; but the first invigorate after tp starve will come up typically within 20-30s in the first place, and for some dps, holding gcds back isn't an option unless you want to drop a ton of buffs for a dps loss (ht, tws, gl3, dis/dk). in the first place, there's no need for half-assed solutions to melee tp starvation if you have an available supply of tp. in op's case, it can't be helped, that's their tradeoff for having another dps instead of a bard. at best they can work around the most efficient potency to tp skills, which really only applies to monk

[RinchanNau]

1. why would you sit on invig if you're getting starved?
and 2. you're slowing down before the buffs are up so you can go all out when the buffs are up.

After actually slowing down a bit and our nin learning better how to manage tp I didn't have to paeon during t13, and pretty sure unless people die or mess up I won't be asked to paeon in t10-13 next week. Learn to slow down a bit if you see it will be an issue, or you will sit on your buffs because you have no tp at all.

Someone else gets it too. It seems the people responding that get it are the ones that have actually cleared FCoB, and the ones that do not understand continue to trash talk and respond rather selfishly. :/ This is rather unfortunate.

Paeon is a very very useful tool, but it is not 100% always the best option for raid damage.

[Kiokin]

So are you going to share with the class what "manage your tp" means, or is it something stupid like "hold gcds?"

[Odowla]

So are you going to share with the class what "manage your tp" means, or is it something stupid like "hold gcds?"

They said what it is.

It's exactly that, when you know running out of TP is going to be a problem, you delay gcd's slightly, enough to generate SOME TP on interim between Invigorates, so that when your Buffs (like blood for blood and internal release) ARE up, you can go hard and make the most out of them.

[Horobi]

Doesn't it just mean "stop casting huton when you suspect your TP won't hold long enough" ?
Ah c***, I said it. FlameStorm incoming.

[Kalamari]

If running out of TP was because you screwed up big time with your rotation as MNK/NIN/DRG.. I'd be totally down for that. But when you are given no control over smacking face first into the 0 wall, short of doing nothing at all, that's simply not fun gameplay for anyone.

*watches BLM keep casting forever without a care* :|

If Paeon did something like reduce TP costs by 50% for a short amount of time, to help BRD/MNK/NIN/DRG AoE without completely destroying their TP in process, that would make much more sense imo.

For single target damage every dps should have the resources to keep attacking without being forced to run out of TP, AS LONG as they don't mess up. For example by letting us regenerate a bit of TP when we finish a combo, or getting back some TP when BRD uses their procs.

Or maybe a low damage Riot Blade style TP regen combo to fall back on.

[RiceisNice]

No one can give 100% 100% of the time. If your party doesn't have a BRD, your party should be more than capable to play around that. I don't understand why people would insist on going all out when they know they will run out of TP, that the fight can be prolonged, and that they have cooldowns to maximize burst damage. Is it not in bad judgement to run yourself out of TP so you don't have any for burst intensive phases or cooldowns?

I've seen ninjas that don't use huton about 4-5 minutes into the fight when we don't have a bard in T8. I don't see them halting their attacks; they'd just go slower. At that point they'd use huton again when they have IR and B4B up to make full use of each TP. Is it optimal? Not necessarily for their dps, but it is for their party make up.

[Pluvia]

Please tell the ninjas you see if they ever drop Huton to save tp they're the most retarded ninja in the world. i'd suggest you look in the other thread if you want more specifics.

[Atreides]

I've seen ninjas that don't use huton about 4-5 minutes into the fight when we don't have a bard in T8. I don't see them halting their attacks; they'd just go slower. At that point they'd use huton again when they have IR and B4B up to make full use of each TP. Is it optimal? Not necessarily for their dps, but it is for their party make up.

They must be beyond terrible.... Tell them it affects not only their GCD but also their Auto attacks and they screw their DPS big time by doing that.

[Leonus]

Someone else gets it too. It seems the people responding that get it are the ones that have actually cleared FCoB, and the ones that do not understand continue to trash talk and respond rather selfishly. :/ This is rather unfortunate.

Paeon is a very very useful tool, but it is not 100% always the best option for raid damage.

It's also a waste to Goad the brd. Goad is better used on the other melee dps, the tank who's low on tp or someone who died/fainted and got raised.

This entire issue could be fixed if ninja's could goad themselves as well. Then, only brds would be running out of tp (and no one would care really, they'd have to just manage their tp better) in those fights because goading themselves, the other melee and the tank's would be best for raid damage/utility.

Edit: OP

Do you have people that could switch to double ninja? Might help a bit. Could goad each other and the tanks.