Group doesn't have a BRD, how are melee supposed to dps?

[RinchanNau]

All they need to do is give nin, mnk, and drg something similar to pld, smn and war.

PLD and WAR don't have Invigorate. So there's a reason for the difference. And SMN complain just as much because they don't want to use Energy Drain instead of Fester.

I do think some of your ideas are interesting, but they also end up giving the same effect. DPS would be using these TP regen abilities and likely lowering their DPS while using them. It'd likely be the same effect as slowing down to regen currently is. The upside for a lot of people is they still get to continue pressing their buttons at the normal rate so I can see why some may favor this method. But overall I think the effect would be similar.

I think SE would still give jobs abilities like Paeon and Goad to lower the amount of time other party members need to use their TP regen/lowered DPS skills.

[Izsha]

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yes, but the point is that other classes have active ways to manage. If you run out of TP or mp as pld you don't stop playing. You adjust what you do instead of do nothing. Melee dps just stop doing things and that's horrible design, or as this thread points out, become reliant on another job as a crutch. You aren't rewarded for playing well, it feels like a punishment for playing well.

take war for example (I feel war is probably the best designed class for a lot of reasons but here's one). If I'm on war in a new encounter, I rarely use berserk for fear of bad timed pacification. I hold onto my Wrath because I don't know when I need to IB etc. In this case I will run out of TP faster, mitigate less damage, do less damage, and generate less threat.

now let's say I learned the fight well. I know when it's safe to zerk and not be pacified at a bad moment. I'm freely using IB because I know when to hold for spike damage and when I dont. Now I have more TP (more IBs gcds, more pacification), I generate more threat, I do more damage, and I mitigate more overall damage. I might even save enough tp and mitigate enough damage that I can add in fracture for even more dps.

I am REWARDED by playing better. Being a bad war means you run outta tp, have threat problems, mitigate less damage and do terrible dps. That is borderline genius gameplay design to me. Melee dps are the opposite. Playing better makes you have to stop playing or intentionally play worse. That's bad design.

We should have an enhanced toolkit that rewards you for using all of your jobs capabilities and that includes active ways to manage resources. Not passive ways like 'bring a bard or stop hitting buttons'. That's just crap design.

The net effect of sacrifice dps to manage tp remains, but one is engaging, the other sucks. Also managing a toolkit means you can actually say 'learn 2 play' if you run out of tp. Not acting isn't playing. With tools, you may lower dps to manage tp, but not as bad as simply not acting at all making it a reward for good play instead of a punishment for good play (like now)

[Eumenide]

I main bard in FCoB and now need to sing paeon once during T10 and twice during T11
T10: after 2nd add phase
T11: at 67% and after egg dies then maybe a ballad at the end of last phase
and that seem to be enough for my group at least
party comp: PLD,WAR,MNK,NIN,BLM,BRD,WHM,SCH

[Tanthalus]

See, it's all well and good to say you're so much better than me, but when you don't post proof all it does is make you look like a try hard douchebag. Show me a video of you going for more than four and a half minutes without running out of TP on MNK/NIN in T8/T10/T11 while still doing respectable dps.

Instead of wasting my time posting a video why don't you come join me in Adamantoise and I'll show you a few things. You've been brow beaten on this subject multiple times and you still persist that SE made a made a fatal error because you can't manage resources. I did give you pointers as to fix your issue but I'm a douchebag. Riiiight. Anyways, unless your gonna come to my server for some free lessons I'm gonna walk away from this thread knowing that there's some people that just can't be taught. Cheers!

[Gardes]

Instead of wasting my time posting a video why don't you come join me in Adamantoise and I'll show you a few things. You've been brow beaten on this subject multiple times and you still persist that SE made a made a fatal error because you can't manage resources. I did give you pointers as to fix your issue but I'm a douchebag. Riiiight. Anyways, unless your gonna come to my server for some free lessons I'm gonna walk away from this thread knowing that there's some people that just can't be taught. Cheers!

No, you should post a video. I'm tanking for fcob but my group is trying to run on mnk/nin/blm/smn and I'm highly interested in how to get the nin to not be starving for tp past the adds phase in t11 (just beat it last week after 4 days of attempts). Posting a video would save you time for when multiple people wants to see you walk the talk.

[Ellatrix]

Instead of wasting my time posting a video why don't you come join me in Adamantoise and I'll show you a few things. You've been brow beaten on this subject multiple times and you still persist that SE made a made a fatal error because you can't manage resources. I did give you pointers as to fix your issue but I'm a douchebag. Riiiight. Anyways, unless your gonna come to my server for some free lessons I'm gonna walk away from this thread knowing that there's some people that just can't be taught. Cheers!

On your lodestone, you're wearing 0 coil gear; please note that your expertise in running dungeons does not translate into coil performance. So, I too am eager to see this video where you claim to be able to do this thing that is impossible.