Group doesn't have a BRD, how are melee supposed to dps?

[Skeith-Adeline]

sorry in fights with no downtime SMNs can also have it hard while maintaining max DPS. BLMs are the only ones with have no issues resource wise.

BLM masterrace. jk lol

[Kiokin]

Garbage statement that is belittling, completely unhelpful, and doesn't contribute to the thread.

What is this mythical "playing optimally" you keep talking about? You've yet to show or tell anyone anything about. How do you not run out of TP 4 minutes into the fight as a MNK/NIN? I want a video. Show me.

[Kiokin]

Best cop out. "You're trolling so I don't have to explain anything."

Never change, internet.

[Mibhas]

Hi there, career Dragoon here.

You can go for about 4:20-4:40 while sticking the rotation down to the letter and managing your Invigorate pretty much perfectly before you run out of TP. At that point there's usually about 20 seconds (or so; can't remember) until Invigorate comes off of CD. Without a Paeon pre-empting that, your DPS will go down the toilet. Monks and Ninjas will have their own exhaust times, but will still hit that wall.

Honestly, I think a Bard is pretty much a mandatory spot in a Raid. I get it if people don't want to play it, but they bring incredible utility and can still do decent DPS. Plus, the fact that they can attack whilst moving from a range and have no positionals is often a great boon for dealing with mechanics (T8's Brainjack being a good example).

TP is finite resource, and it will run out without a Bard. Simply putting delays between your abilities is no help at all - I imagine that the lower overall DPS that someone doing this would have is about even with the DPS of someone who pushes hard and then has to sit around like a lemon waiting for Invigorate to come off cooldown.

[SunnyHirose]

TP is finite resource, and it will run out without a Bard. Simply putting delays between your abilities is no help at all - I imagine that the lower overall DPS that someone doing this would have is about even with the DPS of someone who pushes hard and then has to sit around like a lemon waiting for Invigorate to come off cooldown.

It'd be worse, because you won't get to make the most of buffs.

[RinchanNau]

It'd be worse, because you won't get to make the most of buffs.

Glad someone gets it.

[Leonus]

It'd be worse, because you won't get to make the most of buffs.

Do you mean because the dps has to sit on buffs instead of being able to use them?

Like B4B and invig?

[Elkya95]

Do you mean because the dps has to sit on buffs instead of being able to use them?

Like B4B and invig?

1. why would you sit on invig if you're getting starved?
and 2. you're slowing down before the buffs are up so you can go all out when the buffs are up.

After actually slowing down a bit and our nin learning better how to manage tp I didn't have to paeon during t13, and pretty sure unless people die or mess up I won't be asked to paeon in t10-13 next week. Learn to slow down a bit if you see it will be an issue, or you will sit on your buffs because you have no tp at all.

[Kuroyasha]

Guess ya not gonna find the answer here OP. seems like some want ya to "slow down" your GCD atks o.O. Please don't do that lol. You're most likely gonna need a bard,even with popping invig, unless you just literally stand there and do nothing but auto-atk, or wait those delayed gcd ticks as you keep hitting 0 until invig comes back up. I know you said no one wants to be one, but if the grp keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome...well...have I ever told you the definition of insanity?

If push comes to shove and no one switches, then you really will have to stop dps at points or deal with delayed gcd ticks until that 3rd invig comes up. As a fellow monk and nin, that will be some annoying stuff xD.

[Leonus]

1. why would you sit on invig if you're getting starved?
and 2. you're slowing down before the buffs are up so you can go all out when the buffs are up.

After actually slowing down a bit and our nin learning better how to manage tp I didn't have to paeon during t13, and pretty sure unless people die or mess up I won't be asked to paeon in t10-13 next week. Learn to slow down a bit if you see it will be an issue, or you will sit on your buffs because you have no tp at all.

I meant IR and not invig, dunno why II typed invigorate.

Anyway, having to sit on B4B and IR since you tint have the tp to put them to good use.

On this same note of slowing down and managing tp, I shouldn't have to Goad anyone bit the mnk. The brd should slow down and learn how to manage their tp better.



Edit: Seriously though, I dont.give many brds goad unless they are AoEing something down. Other than that, I kind of just Goad the other melee when they ask for it or one of the tanks when they run low (war especially).

Brds look out for the casters, nin looks out for the melee/tanks. When I run across brds that are willing to paeon for me, then I start tossing them goad.

OP, unfortunately some on your group should switch to brd. They aren't 100 % needed but they do make things easier as a whole. Just make sure they know not to let the melee dps starve like a lot of other brds tend to do.