Stoneskin II

[Wildsprite]

I guess you can do that and make a makeshift Medica 2, personally I like everything being on manual so I can do Rouse + Fey Illumination + Whispering Dawn in that order at will and also throw in Covenant.

I was just saying in a pinch that sometimes you can have Eos act on her own and still be effective even though some people think otherwise

[RaquelleAvarosa]

Can you answer me this. How does shaving off a few extra seconds of pre buff time for an SCH make you so defensive about the whole skill? Clearly this isn't about SSII at all for you. This is WHM vs SCH for you. I've said time and time again that this isn't about WHM vs SCH. The classes are VERY balanced right now as far as I'm concerned and I'm wary of any changes that would break this balance. This is about a difference in a few seconds of pre buff time. Nothing more nothing less.

I am not defensive, I simply disagree with your drama mama antics, making the lack of SS2 for SCH seem like such a big deal and a critical oversight when it really isn't.

I don't care about WHM vs SCH I main both perfectly, go check out my profile if you do not believe and if you think its about WHM vs SCH then it goes to show how little you understood from the comments in this thread.

[Seidaku]

Here is what they ought to do. Take away succor, make it single target and last until it wears off. Then let them single cast that crap for 2 years on each party member then give them back adlo as a group cast.

Then and only then it may become a fair trade.

[DreamWeaver]

First of all, ask yourselves, who benefited from SS II the most?
The healer that goes into trial roulette/dungeon where unless you're really unlucky and wipe, you only have to perform pre-buffing once (or none at all!!).

or

The healer that goes into new content, learning and wiping over and over until they clear the boss, which means countless times of pre-buffing.

I would imagine SE created SSII to assist the 2nd group of healers and not the 1st group of healers, and since I estimate 95% (I pulled this number out of my ass, but I would think it's pretty close ) of 8 man teams has both WHM and SCH for progressive content, that is why SE only gave WHM SSII instead of both healer classes.

P/S : The above statement is my thought process on why SE did not give SCH SSII, not advocating either sides of the argument.

[SulwynCaliope]

I am not defensive, I simply disagree with your drama mama antics, making the lack of SS2 for SCH seem like such a big deal and a critical oversight when it really isn't.

I don't care about WHM vs SCH I main both perfectly, go check out my profile if you do not believe and if you think its about WHM vs SCH then it goes to show how little you understood from the comments in this thread.

So I shouldn't ask for an equal QoL change because it's not important enough for SCHs but important enough for WHMs to get all dramatic about it? Is that what I'm understanding from you? Because the reason why WHMs got this was because they got whiney about it too. All I'm hearing is this double standard.

Here is what they ought to do. Take away adlo, make it single target and last until it wears off. Then let them single cast that crap for 2 years on each party member then give them back adlo as a group cast.

Then and only then it may become a fair trade.

Sigh... I know you mean succor so I won't nitpick. Succor is our only spammable AoE heal. I don't understand how changing that would make this a fair trade. Please enlighten me. Nerfing Succor on Scholars would be akin to nerfing Medica II on WHM.

[Seidaku]

I think you missed the point of my sarcasm. /sigh

So whm's got something cool and beneficial to the group that saved them a hellish macro that could do the same thing and cost double the cast time.
I dont see a problem giving it to scholars. In fact I would love to offload stoneskin entirely to scholars as they are supposed to be the undisputed damage mitigation casters anyway. Please give it away to them, I will not feel any hurt on it.
In return I would not ask for much, I would ask that aero be removed from the cross class list. I would ask for an additional cross class ability to replace surecast as something beneficial to me.

That is it. Please take stoneskin away from us.

[SulwynCaliope]

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I'm sorry for missing it. v.v; It's been a long day for me. Hahaha x.X I don't think WHMs should lose SS though. It's an important tool in their arsenal. I know many SCHs are going to kill me for saying this but I personally wouldn't mind losing Aero anyway. XD;;; It's a nice DPS skill to have definitely but I can't even spread it with bane so I'm pretty meh on it.

[Sapphic]

If you have her in Sic mode and you time it right she will use that HoT whenver you use Succor so it can be pretty effective

If you have any pets (SCH or SMN) in Sic, then you are not as good a SCH/SMN as you think. AI pets use abilities extremely sub optimal.

All I've got from reading replies is that, for some, that SS2 isn't needed for SCH, yet the same argument can be reversed to say WHM never needed it anyways. If WHM never needed it then there is no problems giving it to SCH as a cross class. It is a convenience ability that benefits everyone when SS is needed pre-pull.

[Malusion]

This thread is long and I am lazy, so this might have been mentioned before but... the entire reason sch did not get SS2 is because SS2 has the potency of SS with the trait, without using the trait. I'm not saying thats a good reason since it could just be linked to the trait and problem solved, but it most likely is the reason.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

If you have any pets (SCH or SMN) in Sic, then you are not as good a SCH/SMN as you think. AI pets use abilities extremely sub optimal.

Not necessarily. Selene times her buffs quite well even on Sic.

Anyway Sulwyn, you might as well give up. These people are not even reading.