Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[chrillix]

Selling items from the cash shop for gil is NOT RMT either.

If you can not wrap your head around the fact your above situation is basically buying gil for $20, then there is no point continuing this conversation with you.
Buying gil for $20 IS RMT, and that is basically what this patch has allowed.

[NyarukoW]

Buying gil for $20 IS RMT, and that is basically what this patch has allowed.

If you bought gil from a gil seller and the gil seller get the $20, then it is RMT, which is clearly a violation. But if the other player is not a gil seller because they can NOT get the $20, then no, it is NOT RMT. People keep forgetting that you need to transfer the real money to a real player to make it RMT.

Even if the cash shop sold in-game gil for $20, it is still not RMT, because the other player is not getting the $20. Please get this simple fact thru your thick heads. The simple fact that it is $20 donation to SE makes it NOT RMT.

[MomomiMomi]

Even if the cash shop sold in-game gil for $20, it is still not RMT, because the other player is not getting the $20. Please get this simple fact thru your thick heads. The simple fact that it is $20 donation to SE makes it NOT RMT.

No. What you're describing is illegal RMT. However, both are RMT.

[NyarukoW]

No. What you're describing is illegal RMT. However, both are RMT.

There is no illegal RMT or legal RMT. The strong arm of the law does NOT apply here, only SE's TOS, unless there is some serious money laundering scheme going on thru in game currency.

SE selling service, items, subscription is all about getting in-game stuff for real money, that is SE basic mode of operation. There is no RMT going on there. RMT is when players trying to use SE's system converting in-game value (currency, items, etc.) to real life value (currency, services etc.). That is when it become a RMT.

Just because money, currency, etc. are fungible does not make them RMT. Because if you can not separate this out, then given that everyone knows time=money, then time spent in game is RMT too, which is a ridiculous notion. Have real life money spent/donated/invested(more like lost) in game is not RMT. As long as SE is only allowing players to buy-in and never cash-out it can not be RMT.

... and just because they buy from SE it doesn't make it less RMT. ...

Paying SE your subscription is RMT too then. Seriously people, such broken definitions make no sense. As far as the game is concerned, SE is the only place you should be allowed to spend real life money on. Buying stuff from SE is just just SE providing service,items, enhancements, content, all as part of the game. I don't have to like pay-to-win, or the cash shop, but SE selling stuff can not possibly be construed as RMT.

[Renik]

Paying SE your subscription is RMT too then. Seriously people, such broken definitions make no sense. As far as the game is concerned, SE is the only place you should be allowed to spend real life money on. Buying stuff from SE is just just SE providing service,items, enhancements, content, all as part of the game. I don't have to like pay-to-win, or the cash shop, but SE selling stuff can not possibly be construed as RMT.

No matter how you describe it, the definition of something is what people give to it, this is considered RMT by a part of the player-base just because it has the same effect the other RMT has, the players are not worried about Korean individuals getting some money by "playing" a game, they are worried about other players having unfair advantages.

The effect is the same, so it's RMT.

[MomomiMomi]

There is no illegal RMT or legal RMT. The strong arm of the law does NOT apply here, only SE's TOS, unless there is some serious money laundering scheme going on thru in game currency.

The word illegal does not apply only to law. Sports, for example, have illegal actions. It simply means forbidden.

[Shadray]

No. What you're describing is illegal RMT. However, both are RMT.

Don't think it's illegal, but it's defiantly against the TOS. And yes pretty much everything in life is RMT, it's not like you trade goats and pigs for goods any more

[Renik]

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If you check when they make the bans public, buyers and sellers get banned alike, RMT is a 2 direction crime, the one buying is as guilty as the one selling, and just because they buy from SE it doesn't make it less RMT.

If no one is getting banned it's because this was a mistake from SE, they still think we are more friends than customers...

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

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Well I have to admit that he's right. It's not really RMT because the money is going to SE, not any of the players.

Doesn't change the fact that it's unbalanced and only belongs in a F2P game...

I used to play this F2P Korean MMORPG (pretty good and really fun game, left because of exactly these practices which gave you advantage only if you were willing to spend absurd amounts of real money). The economy went crazy. Everything got inflated and is still inflated up to this day. (I log in from time to time to check if anything's gotten better, because the game is so good, just ruined by F2P system and publisher). While in FF14, having 100m gil means you are rich, in that korean game, it's just some spare change. With 100m, you can't afford much. Maybe some "cheap" weapons which won't help you that much. If you wanna be rich, you need at least 1 billion in your pocket. I'm not kidding.

The ONLY reason I was able to afford higher grade weapons once in that game, was because I won an art contest of theirs and one of the prizes was going for 1 billion. That was the only time I was rich. Then the money went on better weapons and armor and got left with 130m. And guess what? Even then, I still didn't have the best gear in the game. For that I would have needed maybe another 5 to 10 billion lol.

I honestly wouldn't want that to happen to 14. :/

[ManweSulimo]

Well I have to admit that he's right. It's not really RMT because the money is going to SE, not any of the players.

Doesn't change the fact that it's unbalanced and only belongs in a F2P game...

I used to play this F2P Korean MMORPG ...

I have a strong feeling I know that game and I also played too it was awesome. In that game I was one of the wealthiest people on the server and I never bought in game currency with real money ever. I farmed bosses and sold the drops for the in game currency.

Everything boils down to what the economic conditions are. If you find a way to make gil then do that and you will be wealthy without having to buy gil with real money. If you think your time is better spent making real life money then God bless you and thank you for your contribution to society. Let the guy have his i110 melded crafted gears since he did more for the world than the other guy sitting in his parents' basement playing games. Sorry I know that's a bit strong and I hope nobody takes offense to that because that isn't my intent. But maybe P2W will have an overall positive effect on the world as a whole if it drives people to want to make more real life money because inevitably they will end up contributing to society.

It's almost like it's the same people who were complaining about how fast people could get i110 during patch 2.3 due to hunts are now complaining that people can get i110 fully melded crafted gear by selling cash shop bracelets. I don't see how their gain is bringing you down. And if you feel that way you may need to check yourself for jealousy. The only way it would is if you are directly competing for a spot in a static against someone that did that and the group chooses that person over you (which would be stupid of them because more likely you are the better player as far as skill). And at that point I would question the people in that group anyways just find another group lol