Stoneskin II

[SulwynCaliope]

Following the OP's logic, 90% of the game can be cleared without a scholar too.

That was besides the point and you know it. The point was that SSII was implemented because it's annoying to cast SS on EACH member of the party one by one. The game doesn't force you to bring a WHM to instances. This means that there'll be LOADS of times where an instance is being healed by a double scholar combo. WHMs get to hit one button to SS the whole party while SCHs do not. How is this fair?

[Tupsi]

That was besides the point and you know it. The point was that SSII was implemented because it's annoying to cast SS on EACH member of the party one by one. The game doesn't force you to bring a WHM to instances. This means that there'll be LOADS of times where an instance is being healed by a double scholar combo. WHMs get to hit one button to SS the whole party while SCHs do not. How is this fair?

WHM stoneskin is far superior anyway.

[Zarzak]

This means that there'll be LOADS of times where an instance is being healed by a double scholar combo.

I'm not sure what these loads of times are you speak of. Unless you think you need stoneskin to do outdated content.

Should they have gotten it? Sure it makes sense. But saying its necessary is a gross overstatement.

[SulwynCaliope]

I'm not sure what these loads of times are you speak of. Unless you think you need stoneskin to do outdated content.

Should they have gotten it? Sure it makes sense. But saying its necessary is a gross overstatement.

Can you please read the whole thread before responding? :/ I've already said many times that I know it's not necessary. Your response doesn't even match what this thread is about. Following your logic, should WHMs have gotten SSII? It's not exactly necessary.

[Lemuria]

Can you please read the whole thread before responding? :/ I've already said many times that I know it's not necessary. Your response doesn't even match what this thread is about. Following your logic, should WHMs have gotten SSII? It's not exactly necessary.

Necessary, no. However in White Mage's case it both makes sense AND serves a utility purpose. WHM stoneskin, as you've rightly noted is 18% which is not an insignificant amount of damage reduction. Thus, having it on WHM both saves time AND serves a useful purpose.

Scholar getting Stoneskin II would be silly. Firstly, Scholar doesn't even get SS1 by default, they have to cross-class it. Having tier 2 of a spell they don't even get tier 1 of is just ridiculous. Secondly, the measly offerings gained by a 10% stoneskin you can only cat outside of combat don't justify wasting a cross class slot on it.

[Riepah]

... don't justify wasting a cross class slot on it.

There are countless useless cross class skills. Stoneskin II would surely beat Blizzard II, and make just as much sense. Change the 18% to 10% and the rest of your first paragraph can remain the same in SCH's case - it saves time and serves a purpose.
Your arguments against SCH receiving Stoneskin II are pretty weak and invalidated entirely by some of the already available crossclass skills.

[Alipoprocks]

There are countless useless cross class skills. Stoneskin II would surely beat Blizzard II, and make just as much sense. Change the 18% to 10% and the rest of your first paragraph can remain the same in SCH's case - it saves time and serves a purpose.
Your arguments against SCH receiving Stoneskin II are pretty weak and invalidated entirely by some of the already available crossclass skills.

Talking about useless cross-class abilities, how about Truth of Mountains? Why would DoM or DoW ever need this? LOL

[SulwynCaliope]

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If SE had implemented this right in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The AoE function should have been a passive whereby you'd cast AoE SS out of battle and single target SS in battle. Unfortunately, SE messed up big time and didn't do this.

I mentioned before that SS stacks with succor. SS + Succor combo mitigates a good amount of damage too. If my succor were to crit, on a 10k HP warrior, I could mitigate the same 18% damage that the WHM SS mitigates. Mitigation is mitigation and I'm not going to say no to any mitigation that I can get my hands on. After all, SCH's bread and butter is damage mitigation.

Also, it seems your issue is with how SSII was labeled the skill. If SE had labelled it, something other than SSII could I have it then? Also I just checked and I can cross class blizzard II on my SCH. I guess SE should take it away and give us blizz I.