So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[Amused]

Yeah, I'd rather not have that happen.

That would only increase peoples toxicity while using DF. "I can fuck about cause no one can kick me."

That's what vote abandon exists for.

I rarely ever see people intentionally sabotaging parties, on the other hand, I frequently see people abuse vote kick.

Even before we had vote kick it was a rarity for people to sabotage a party by not participating, or just screwing things up for everyone.

[Ellatrix]

That's what vote abandon exists for.

I rarely ever see people intentionally sabotaging parties, on the other hand, I frequently see people abuse vote kick.

Even before we had vote kick it was a rarity for people to sabotage a party by not participating, or just screwing things up for everyone.

You didn't play before there was vote kick. There was so much afk.

Your idea of vote kick abuse is flawed if you see it often, because it doesn't happen often.
-kicking someone for being bad and making it difficult to continue is OK
-kicking someone for being grossly undergeared making them die constantly and being a deadweight is OK
-kicking someone for refusing to go along with the majority strategy as discussed by the party is OK
-kicking someone for not participating is OK

You remember that story, where a dude takes a piss in a massive 300+ million gallon open air reservoir, then a manager wanted to drain the whole thing just because of that? That manager is you wanting to vote abandon because of one person.

[Amused]

You didn't play before there was vote kick.

Except that I did?

How could you possibly think that I didn't play? What made you jump to that conclusion? My account is legacy, which you could easily find out if you checked my lodestone. I was here at the launch of 1.0 XIV, and I was here at the launch of XIV ARR. Even my forum join date should have given you a hint.

>-kicking someone for being bad and making it difficult to continue is OK
No.
>-kicking someone for being grossly undergeared making them die constantly and being a deadweight is OK
No.
>-kicking someone for refusing to go along with the majority strategy as discussed by the party is OK
Debatable.
>-kicking someone for not participating is OK
Yes.

There was not "so much afk", and certainly not as much afk as there is vote kick abuse occurring.

[Niwashi]

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> -kicking someone for being bad and making it difficult to continue is OK
No, it's not

> -kicking someone for being grossly undergeared making them die constantly and being a deadweight is OK
No, it's not

> -kicking someone for refusing to go along with the majority strategy as discussed by the party is OK
That's only true for pre-made parties where such special conditions were explicitly listed in Party Finder (or otherwise agreed to by everyone involved). In that case, anyone joining the group is considered to have agreed to the rules for that group. Anyone joining through DF, however, has NOT made any such automatic agreement just by being there.

Agreeing to a rule and then not following it is a kickable offence. Refusing to have your ideas forced on them when they're doing their DF run is NOT a kickable offence.

> -kicking someone for not participating is OK
Yes, provided you mean not participating at all.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

That's what vote abandon exists for.

I rarely ever see people intentionally sabotaging parties, on the other hand, I frequently see people abuse vote kick.

Even before we had vote kick it was a rarity for people to sabotage a party by not participating, or just screwing things up for everyone.

Yeah sorry, I'm not going to slough through the entirety of a dungeon, to the last boss and than vote abandon because some guy is just refusing to move and is mouthing off. Not happening.

I'll just kick him, get a replacement and move on with my life. Simpler.