So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[Riepah]

I'm in the same boat as Jeckyl, and I party up in the DF all the time without a premade.

The only time I've ever seen someone get kicked was if they repeatedly went afk without informing the group, DC'd for long periods of time, or were just being incredibly hostile. Even I only see the vote kick used once or twice a week.

Then you are NOT in the same boat. They explicitly stated "never" having seen the kick function used. Once or twice a week is a damn lot more than "never".

[ZaenKael]

Then you are NOT in the same boat. They explicitly stated "never" having seen the kick function used. Once or twice a week is a damn lot more than "never".

Okay you're right, they did say NEVER having seen it used, I thought he said never seen it abused.

Either way, my point stands, once or twice a week and never in an abusive fashion.

wow, that often ? the last vote kick I see is at sunday and the one before that is like....back in 2.3 something before 2.38

Honestly I was being generous it might've been less.

[Niwashi]

If you are getting kicked often there's probably a reason.

People arguing that side keep trying to bring "often" into the equation. It only takes once to be abuse.

Once when st was new i was kicked on the last boss for what i can only imagine was loot (no wipes, no complaints). Its the only time ive ever been kicked but it still bugs me a little. Still, there was no chat at all going on so theres really nothing to prove my case.

In a sane world, the lack of chat (or more obvious problems) would itself prove your case, as it should have been up to the people who kicked you to prove they had a legitimate reason for it. You shouldn't need to prove the lack of a reason. As you pointed out yourself, there were no complaints, just the kick itself.

Just the other day, I saw this happen to the arcanist in our party during a low-level roulette dungeon. All of a sudden, there was a vote-kick prompt for no apparent reason. The tank and healer must have both agreed to it though, because after I refused to agree to the kick, the arcanist was out anyway. (I was playing NIN at the time.) My best guess is that the healer was hoping to get both DPS slots filled by DoW, so he could have exclusive access to any caster gear that dropped, and the tank must have been a buddy of his to agree to it. I certainly can't think of any other reason for having kicked that arcanist from the group. He hadn't done anything disruptive and was contributing towards clearing the content (not the fastest, perhaps, but passable). I was rather glad that the replacement we got was another arcanist, so if that was the healer's plan, he didn't get his way. Still sucks for that first ACN we had, though.

[CGMidlander]

People arguing that side keep trying to bring "often" into the equation. It only takes once to be abuse.

If it only happens once, then I don't see the problem if the person would just nut up and shut up.
There's no need to be sensitive over something so trivial as a single event, as opposed to something chronic.

A thick skin is helpful in life.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

Never seen the vote kick function used? Do you ever use the DF without a premade group? Or roulettes?

I've seen it used once, and that was to remove someone who had been DC'd for 10 minutes.

That was the only time I've seen it used and I've done so many DF groups since I started playing.

[LunaHoshino]

I queue up in DF solo or with partial parties all the time and I have only ever seen vote kick used twice. Both times were deserved-- the person in question was being a hostile jerk.

I've been kicked a grand total of once, and that was also deserved, as I had DCed and was unable to get back into the game for a good 15 minutes or so.

[SarcasmMisser]

Every person I have seen kicked 100% deserved it and justified the existence of the feature.

[SekhmetM]

Was doing a dungeon and the healer was an absolute moron. Lv40 Conjurer in Cutter's Cry. They didnt have swiftcast and only spammed cure the whole time. We wipe three times at first boss. We try to help by explaining they need WHM, regen, and need to use other skills, but this moron doesn't get it. Vote kicked.

Next healer was equally stupid as he kept using Fluid on monsters and sleeping them (I was WAR so overpower woke em up anyway). He repeatedly kept running ahead and sleeping monsters. Ninja and I were getting pissed. Told him he just needed to heal and not do those things. He asks why we're treating him like a noob. We say cause you're acting like one. He was a WHM who knew how to heal though, so despite his stupidity we managed to get through the dungeon.

We wouldnt have made it through the dungeon without votekicking the first healer. Stupid people just need to be kicked out if they're inhibiting a party. Saves time for everyone.

[Amused]

I'd rather have no vote kick option than to have it exist and be abused.

[Riepah]

I'd rather have no vote kick option than to have it exist and be abused.

Vote kick is a good thing to have, I have often seen it used in an appropriate manner, I'd go as far as to call it a "necessary" function. However, vote kick abuse should be a serious offense and should be investigated and punished, not ignored or called okay as it currently is.