Women and Armor!

[Fyrebrand]

You know that scene in Star Wars, when Leia gets captured by Jabba the Hutt, and is forced to wear that slave bikini outfit? But then she gets rescued, and for some reason she opts to not wear that bikini for the rest of the movie. And then Han Solo gets all mad, and says stuff like "Why did you change out of that bikini outfit? What is your problem, do you not feel sexy and empowered as a woman, wearing it? Do you think women have to be covered up all the time? Because that's true objectification and sexism, right there, missy. What about all the women who enjoy dressing like that, huh? Are you trying to shame them, and tell them what to wear? Quit stomping all over their freedom, jeez! You know, there are skimpy clothes for men, too! When I choose not to wear something like that, it's my personal preference, because that would be weird and gross. But for a woman to not want to wear it all the time, that's just snotty, hard-core, man-hating feminist extremism! Who do you think you are, Anita Sarkeesian!? Women are just naturally sexual, and men like to look at them. It's just nature, so quit rocking the boat and trying to bring your female supremacy politics here!!"

I think that's how the scene went, right? Yeah, that was a good movie.

at this point I'm starting to think Remilia is related to the other person on the forums that looks quite similar; both ignore and deliberately mis-understand most evidence presented to them and keep bringing up the same arguments.

OMG, I wish I did not understand exactly who you are talking about. Makes me want to stick coat hangers in my ears, just to scratch the memory out of my brain.

[Teryaani]

I think that's how the scene went, right? Yeah, that was a good movie.

I'm trying to figure out who's point you're answering with this.

[Magis]

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Who's forcing you (Han/Jabba in your strange analogy) to wear certain armour in the game? If you don't like how something looks, you can glamour it, that's why it exists. I'd agree with you if the game had no option outside those clothes and you didn't like it, but the game literally allows you to replace your armour with anything else and keep the stats. Leila in your example didn't want to wear that uniform but didn't have a choice, however you do. At the same time you want to remove the ability for other women and men to dress up their characters how they see fit cause reasons?

Also dat raging. I think you setup some strange strawman to burn down right there.

[Fyrebrand]

you want to remove the ability for other women and men to dress up their characters how they see fit

No. That is not what I want. That is not what anyone wants, and it's getting really ridiculous how often some of you keep accusing people of this.

The Star Wars anecdote was a bit exaggerated, but the point was that Leia's decision to stop trotting around in underwear when given the chance has no impact whatsoever on your own freedoms or outfit selection. When, in that story, did Leia track down all bikinis in the galaxy and have them destroyed? When did she pass a law, banning women from showing their skin? She was just making a choice for herself. It should not have to be a debate. But because she didn't want to parade around in revealing, sexy outfits all the time, Han Solo threw a totally inappropriate conniption fit. Which is basically what half of you are doing in this thread, in response to someone simply asking for female characters to not be treated by default as models for swimsuits and dominatrix gear.

FFXIV is not nearly as bad as most other games, of course. Here is what typically passes for female "armor" in Tera, for example. But the point still holds, that there is a disparity between how male and female armor is designed, and how much skin either of those show off. Should a female dragoon be able to show their midriff and look sexy? Sure, why not, this is a fantasy game, let people dress their characters as they please. But why can't we get the fully-covered version, as well? And why can't we simply ask for it, without it being a freaking controversy?

Sorry to inform you but I'm not the one who came up with the term. I also think calling it something else would be good for the movement because of the negative associations misandrists have gotten attached to it and because uninformed people tend to make the assumption that it only affects females when that isn't true.

Sometimes people just refer to it as "gender equality," which I suppose is probably a better term and captures the spirit of it better. But on the other hand, people are going to misrepresent your position no matter what you call it.

[Magis]

No. That is not what I want. That is not what anyone wants, and it's getting really ridiculous how often some of you keep accusing people of this.

The Star Wars anecdote was a bit exaggerated, but the point was that Leia's decision to stop trotting around in underwear when given the chance has no impact whatsoever on your own freedoms or outfit selection. When, in that story, did Leia track down all bikinis in the galaxy and have them destroyed? When did she pass a law, banning women from showing their skin? She was just making a choice for herself. It should not have to be a debate. But because she didn't want to parade around in revealing, sexy outfits all the time, Han Solo threw a totally inappropriate conniption fit. Which is basically what half of you are doing in this thread, in response to someone simply asking for female characters to not be treated by default as models for swimsuits and dominatrix gear.

So then what is your complaint here? You are given the choice if you want to wear said armour or not thanks to the glamor system. You aren't forced to wear something because of it's stats, you can change it to w.e you want.

FFXIV is not nearly as bad as most other games, of course. Here is what typically passes for female "armor" in Tera, for example. But the point still holds, that there is a disparity between how male and female armor is designed, and how much skin either of those show off. Should a female dragoon be able to show their midriff and look sexy? Sure, why not, this is a fantasy game, let people dress their characters as they please. But why can't we get the fully-covered version, as well? And why can't we simply ask for it, without it being a freaking controversy?

Tera is laughed at by most people for it's art direction, especially concerning their skimpy demon race. You might as well have said Scarlet Blade. Anyway, this is a FFXIV board, and people here are primarily talking about FFXIV. So you have a problem with one or two pieces of armour when you can replace it with countless other sets. I too have a problem with some armour, and decided to glamor it over. This sounds more like making the issue a mountain out of a molehill.

Your character looks quite a bit like Tupsi's.

Sorry to inform you but I'm not the one who came up with the term. I also think calling it something else would be good for the movement because of the negative associations misandrists have gotten attached to it and because uninformed people tend to make the assumption that it only affects females when that isn't true.

I heard the term "egalitarian" used.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

FFXIV is not nearly as bad as most other games, of course. Here is what typically passes for female "armor" in Tera, for example. But the point still holds, that there is a disparity between how male and female armor is designed, and how much skin either of those show off. Should a female dragoon be able to show their midriff and look sexy? Sure, why not, this is a fantasy game, let people dress their characters as they please. But why can't we get the fully-covered version, as well? And why can't we simply ask for it, without it being a freaking controversy?
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This comment is kinda unrelated to your point: That hole on the tummy looks ridic IN MY OPINION.

I'll kill someone if they mess with my DRK armor when released.

[Canadane]

This comment is kinda unrelated to your point: That hole on the tummy looks ridic IN MY OPINION.

I'll kill someone if they mess with my DRK armor when released.

The hole makes sense due to the physical actions a dragoon partakes in. Jumping and poledancing like they do requires a great deal of core stomach movement. If you were in plate or hard scale armour, this would be much harder to do. So while it looks ridiculous, it has it's needs.
Though the chainmail cover would be nice to be able to turn on.