Women and Armor!

[Teryaani]

What

Titan only wears a loincloth, bro

Are you serious? Are we discussing sexism with Primals, now? Awesome.

I'm pretty sure Ifrit is naked. Get that guy some clothes stat!

[Ageofwar]

Titan only wears a loincloth, bro

OK, you have a point here since the guy looks like a bodybuilder, but admit it you love it :-D

Are you serious? Are we discussing sexism with Primals, now? Awesome.

yes i am serious

well there's Minfilia, not to mention the NPC's in Ul'dah during the dragon quest event and the Halloween event

[Teryaani]

OK, you have a point here since the guy looks like a bodybuilder, but admit it you love it :-D

Oooh yeah! How you doin?!

yes i am serious

well there's Minfilia, not to mention the NPC's in Ul'dah during the dragon quest event and the Halloween event

So, you're cherry picking a couple of NPCs out of an enormous number of female NPCs, most of who don't help your argument, and then you're saying that how the developers made them look is some kind of institutionalized objectification of women? There are a goodly number of barely clothed males in the game as well.

[Fyrebrand]

You know that scene in Star Wars, when Leia gets captured by Jabba the Hutt, and is forced to wear that slave bikini outfit? But then she gets rescued, and for some reason she opts to not wear that bikini for the rest of the movie. And then Han Solo gets all mad, and says stuff like "Why did you change out of that bikini outfit? What is your problem, do you not feel sexy and empowered as a woman, wearing it? Do you think women have to be covered up all the time? Because that's true objectification and sexism, right there, missy. What about all the women who enjoy dressing like that, huh? Are you trying to shame them, and tell them what to wear? Quit stomping all over their freedom, jeez! You know, there are skimpy clothes for men, too! When I choose not to wear something like that, it's my personal preference, because that would be weird and gross. But for a woman to not want to wear it all the time, that's just snotty, hard-core, man-hating feminist extremism! Who do you think you are, Anita Sarkeesian!? Women are just naturally sexual, and men like to look at them. It's just nature, so quit rocking the boat and trying to bring your female supremacy politics here!!"

I think that's how the scene went, right? Yeah, that was a good movie.

at this point I'm starting to think Remilia is related to the other person on the forums that looks quite similar; both ignore and deliberately mis-understand most evidence presented to them and keep bringing up the same arguments.

OMG, I wish I did not understand exactly who you are talking about. Makes me want to stick coat hangers in my ears, just to scratch the memory out of my brain.

[Teryaani]

I think that's how the scene went, right? Yeah, that was a good movie.

I'm trying to figure out who's point you're answering with this.

[Recaldy]

One piece > bikinis

oh wait

nah, no regrets.

[Ageofwar]

So, you're cherry picking a couple of NPCs out of an enormous number of female NPCs, most of who don't help your argument, and then you're saying that how the developers made them look is some kind of institutionalized objectification of women?

you might have a point here and like i said "for the male player base"

There are a goodly number of barely clothed males in the game as well.

Hmmm Really!!!! I guess i was distracted at the time (damn slutty female Miqo'te)

[Amused]

It's not wearing the armour that is objectification. It's designing and implementing it: the designer has made a nice piece of gear and then, when adapting it for females has thought "This gear needs to show some ass/boob/panties".

You just don't get it, do you? If you consider it objectifying as an outfit, then it shouldn't matter who designed it, the outfit is still "objectifying" according to your standards. To insist that it's only objectifying if it's made by a male IS SEXISM.

You keep saying they have no option to wear "that nice piece of gear" because it's objectifying. If they dislike the gear for the way it is, then they really don't consider it a "nice piece of gear" but rather are trying to push their own agenda instead of appreciating the art for what it is, and what it was intended to be.

You are never at ANY point in this game EVER forced to wear revealing armor.

There is no such thing as a "preferred" dress code. If there is a dress code, you abide by it or you face consequences, otherwise there is absolutely no point to having a dress code in the first place if you're just going to let people wear whatever they want. Please show me an example of a business that has a "preferred" dress code. I would love to be proven wrong.

Also, no, quitting is not equivalent to having the option to wear other attire. In the situation that you described, they would be quitting simply because the revealing armor exists and that they refuse to wear anything else because of their masochistic tendencies or whatever is compelling them to not glamour over this item they seem to hate so much.

I still don't get why you're so obsessed with the midriff on the female version of the Dragoon armor too, while completely neglecting that the entire freaking armor set, regardless of gender, is incredibly impractical. It's also pretty damn tame too. Lets get real here, it's literally just a belly. Both men and women have them. What is the problem?

The worst part is that you completely ignore that there are revealing sets in the game for men too. Your argument holds no ground, especially here (this game), and you are absolutely 100% wrong in your stance on this.

[Ophie-Mio]

If they dislike the gear for the way it is, then they really don't consider it a "nice piece of gear" but rather are trying to push their own agenda instead of appreciating the art for what it is, and what it was intended to be.

You are never at ANY point in this game EVER forced to wear revealing armor.

That's not true. If you want the best stats available for the current level, you're gonna be forced into wearing certain pieces. In my earlier post, it's the coliseum shawl... People posted alternatives but that didn't actually make them better. The coliseum shawl is always gonna be better than the Harlequin acton. If I want the best stats, I'm forced into the shawl or I'm gimp.

I still don't get why you're so obsessed with the midriff on the female version of the Dragoon armor too, while completely neglecting that the entire freaking armor set, regardless of gender, is incredibly impractical. It's also pretty damn tame too. Lets get real here, it's literally just a belly. Both men and women have them. What is the problem?

They are obsessed with it because it's the poster child of the man/female armor debate. The debate isn't about the practicality of the armor (which is something way different) but of the whim of the developers to give the males a fully covered stomach and for some reason a belly window for the females.

At the heart of the debate isn't about whether anything is tame or not...it's the choice that (for example) a female DRG should be able to play in the DRG AF without the belly window. It's the choice that the coatee on girls doesn't have to be super revealing.

It's literally about the choice.

The worst part is that you completely ignore that there are revealing sets in the game for men too.

Yeah, and they aren't complaining about it so why bring it up? If they decided that they hated the necklaces and stuff and started to complain about it, then bring up this point.

[Dead59Reckoning]

I don't see where the issue is...

Hot Damn! I want to see that on a midlander guy.