CS Complaint Threads Need to Stop

[RaquelleAvarosa]

I'm genuinely curious, I got a bahamut minion from purchasing the OST and I don't think it is attainable in the game without purchasing the OST, is the minion then considered a form of micro transaction? since it is content not available to everyone and if so, why don't I see mobs denouncing the act of bundling minions and in game vanity with merchandise?

So, are people genuinely against content (vanity) that are unattainable in game or are they simply hating the term micro transactions?

[Magis]

I'm genuinely curious, I got a bahamut minion from purchasing the OST and I don't think it is attainable in the game without purchasing the OST, is the minion then considered a form of micro transaction? since it is content not available to everyone and if so, why don't I see mobs denouncing the act of bundling minions and in game vanity with merchandise?

So, are people genuinely against content (vanity) that are unattainable in game or are they simply hating the term micro transactions?

You aren't paying for the minion though, you are paying for a physical item and the minion is thrown in as a bonus, an incentive for you to buy the OST. Heck, the basic fact that the Windup Dalamud code expired on the end of the year that the OST was released shows that. If SE was "selling" the Dalamud minion, they'd leave the code to be active forever.

[RaquelleAvarosa]

You aren't paying for the minion though, you are paying for a physical item and the minion is thrown in as a bonus, an incentive for you to buy the OST. Heck, the basic fact that the Windup Dalamud code expired on the end of the year that the OST was released shows that. If SE was "selling" the Dalamud minion, they'd leave the code to be active forever.

lets say then, a guy who really wants (and only wants) the bahamut minion, buys the OST but simply threw it away after redeeming the minion code, its now simply a $50 minion, no different from going into Mogstation and paying $50 outright for the minion.

I'm not sure why those against the inclusion of paid vanity item are perfectly OK with another indirectly paid vanity item that is also behind a pay-wall and absolutely unattainable in game unless you fork out cash for it.

If i'm not mistaken, the whole argument against micro-transactions is that players are already paying a sub so they should be able to have access to all of the game's content so why are they perfectly OK that multiple minions and vanity gear are actually locked behind a paywall (indirect) and are not accessible in-game without spending money to buy merchandise.

This is what perplexes me and this is what convinced me that those against micro-transactions are actually against it in form but not in principle.

[Magis]

lets say then, a guy who really wants the bahamut minion, buys the OST and simply chucked it away, its now a $30 minion.

I'm not sure why those against the inclusion of paid vanity item are perfectly OK with another indirectly paid vanity item that is also behind a pay-wall and absolutely unattainable in game unless you fork out cash for it.

Cool? That still doesn't change what SE gave the minion for. It's like saying the Happy Meal toys are $6 at McDonalds when it's not, the whole combo is. The purchaser still got an OST for that $30, they decided to not use it.

[RaquelleAvarosa]

Cool? That still doesn't change what SE gave the minion for. It's like saying the Happy Meal toys are $6 at McDonalds when it's not, the whole combo is. The purchaser still got an OST for that $30, they decided to not use it.

It still doesn't change the fact that there are already vanity items behind a pay-wall.

your happy meals analogy makes no sense, we're not talking about the value of an item here.

You're comparing buying physical merchandise that you receive with a bonus minion with virtual items that aren't necessary to be thrown in the cash shop.

Physical merchandise doesn't need bonus in-game items either, it is not necessary at all.

Physical merchandise or not, there are people who buys it only for the bonus item and not for the physical merchandise, so how is it different from outright paying money for the "bonus" and not receiving a physical item? is the physical item here the crucial factor? and if all micro-transactions came with a physical item, all's good now?

[Edeline]

Physical merchandise doesn't need bonus in game items either, it is not necessary at all.

Physical merchandise or not, there are people who buys it only for the bonus item and not for the physical merchandise, so how is it different from outright paying money for the "bonus" and not receiving a physical item? is the physical item here the crucial factor? and if all micro-transactions came with a physical item, all's good now?

It's called bonus for a reason. You're not buying the minion. If people choose to buy the merchandise for its bonus, that's their own choice, and not the indended sale.

[RaquelleAvarosa]

It's called bonus for a reason. You're not buying the minion. If people choose to buy the merchandise for its bonus, that's their own choice, and not the indended sale.

Certainly, I was merely questioning the argument from some, that players who pays a sub are entitled to every single content in the game, which in this case, it obviously isn't but yet those same group of players are apparently OK with it, I just felt that perhaps it was a flaw in their argument.

and based on the replies and what i understand here, i've devised a solution to this micro-transaction fiasco...

so I guess I've found a perfect solution for players and for Square Enix with regard to micro-transactions

Simply release all micro-transaction vanity items as bonuses of physical merchandise, sell a Sleipnir figurine at $49.99 and it comes with an in-game Sleipnir mount, buy a FF14 Wedding catalogue book for $49.99 and get a Gold wedding plan ticket etc

[Edeline]

lets say then, a guy who really wants the bahamut minion, buys the OST and simply chucked it away, its now a $30 minion.

I'm not sure why those against the inclusion of paid vanity item are perfectly OK with another indirectly paid vanity item that is also behind a pay-wall and absolutely unattainable in game unless you fork out cash for it.

You're comparing buying physical merchandise that you receive with a bonus minion with virtual items that aren't necessary to be thrown in the cash shop.

[Ecks007]

I'm genuinely curious, I got a bahamut minion from purchasing the OST and I don't think it is attainable in the game without purchasing the OST, is the minion then considered a form of micro transaction? since it is content not available to everyone and if so, why don't I see mobs denouncing the act of bundling minions and in game vanity with merchandise?

So, are people genuinely against content (vanity) that are unattainable in game or are they simply hating the term micro transactions?

Because it's a bonus item. You didn't pay money to buy that minion, you bought the OST and it was a bonus item that came with your purchase of that OST. Unless you seriously just dolled out money for the minion and use the OST as a coaster now..... (which would be dumb) then you didn't pay money for that minion. It was included as an extra item with your real purchase.

That's different. Now, if you had to pay money just to get that minion by itself, with no OST included, then yeah.. that would be a micro-transaction the same as the current minions they have in their cash shop.

[Dyvid]

I'm genuinely curious, I got a bahamut minion from purchasing the OST and I don't think it is attainable in the game without purchasing the OST, is the minion then considered a form of micro transaction? since it is content not available to everyone and if so, why don't I see mobs denouncing the act of bundling minions and in game vanity with merchandise?

So, are people genuinely against content (vanity) that are unattainable in game or are they simply hating the term micro transactions?

The example I gave is what my beef is, hiding half the content behind a paywall. It's a slippery slop and begs the question what my sub actually entitles me to and what addition fees I should pay for? Veterans Reward are a fine example because the beginning they gave all kind of cool stuff but now it's going more and more to the CS. What if tomorrow they said that in the Golden Saucer you can do Chocobo Racing once a day but could buy a voucher from the CS that let's you race more times?