CS Complaint Threads Need to Stop

[RaquelleAvarosa]

You aren't paying for the minion though, you are paying for a physical item and the minion is thrown in as a bonus, an incentive for you to buy the OST. Heck, the basic fact that the Windup Dalamud code expired on the end of the year that the OST was released shows that. If SE was "selling" the Dalamud minion, they'd leave the code to be active forever.

lets say then, a guy who really wants (and only wants) the bahamut minion, buys the OST but simply threw it away after redeeming the minion code, its now simply a $50 minion, no different from going into Mogstation and paying $50 outright for the minion.

I'm not sure why those against the inclusion of paid vanity item are perfectly OK with another indirectly paid vanity item that is also behind a pay-wall and absolutely unattainable in game unless you fork out cash for it.

If i'm not mistaken, the whole argument against micro-transactions is that players are already paying a sub so they should be able to have access to all of the game's content so why are they perfectly OK that multiple minions and vanity gear are actually locked behind a paywall (indirect) and are not accessible in-game without spending money to buy merchandise.

This is what perplexes me and this is what convinced me that those against micro-transactions are actually against it in form but not in principle.

[Magis]

lets say then, a guy who really wants the bahamut minion, buys the OST and simply chucked it away, its now a $30 minion.

I'm not sure why those against the inclusion of paid vanity item are perfectly OK with another indirectly paid vanity item that is also behind a pay-wall and absolutely unattainable in game unless you fork out cash for it.

Cool? That still doesn't change what SE gave the minion for. It's like saying the Happy Meal toys are $6 at McDonalds when it's not, the whole combo is. The purchaser still got an OST for that $30, they decided to not use it.

[Edeline]

lets say then, a guy who really wants the bahamut minion, buys the OST and simply chucked it away, its now a $30 minion.

I'm not sure why those against the inclusion of paid vanity item are perfectly OK with another indirectly paid vanity item that is also behind a pay-wall and absolutely unattainable in game unless you fork out cash for it.

You're comparing buying physical merchandise that you receive with a bonus minion with virtual items that aren't necessary to be thrown in the cash shop.

[Ecks007]

I'm genuinely curious, I got a bahamut minion from purchasing the OST and I don't think it is attainable in the game without purchasing the OST, is the minion then considered a form of micro transaction? since it is content not available to everyone and if so, why don't I see mobs denouncing the act of bundling minions and in game vanity with merchandise?

So, are people genuinely against content (vanity) that are unattainable in game or are they simply hating the term micro transactions?

Because it's a bonus item. You didn't pay money to buy that minion, you bought the OST and it was a bonus item that came with your purchase of that OST. Unless you seriously just dolled out money for the minion and use the OST as a coaster now..... (which would be dumb) then you didn't pay money for that minion. It was included as an extra item with your real purchase.

That's different. Now, if you had to pay money just to get that minion by itself, with no OST included, then yeah.. that would be a micro-transaction the same as the current minions they have in their cash shop.

[Dyvid]

I'm genuinely curious, I got a bahamut minion from purchasing the OST and I don't think it is attainable in the game without purchasing the OST, is the minion then considered a form of micro transaction? since it is content not available to everyone and if so, why don't I see mobs denouncing the act of bundling minions and in game vanity with merchandise?

So, are people genuinely against content (vanity) that are unattainable in game or are they simply hating the term micro transactions?

The example I gave is what my beef is, hiding half the content behind a paywall. It's a slippery slop and begs the question what my sub actually entitles me to and what addition fees I should pay for? Veterans Reward are a fine example because the beginning they gave all kind of cool stuff but now it's going more and more to the CS. What if tomorrow they said that in the Golden Saucer you can do Chocobo Racing once a day but could buy a voucher from the CS that let's you race more times?

[RiceisNice]

What if tomorrow they said that in the Golden Saucer you can do Chocobo Racing once a day but could buy a voucher from the CS that let's you race more times?

At that point, they're gating content behind the CS, which would be unacceptable for me. That's where I'd feel they're jumping off the slippery slope because that can easily be applied to lock outs or raid/trial entry as well. Especially in a subscription model, the last thing a cash shop should ever do is gate content behind it or provide players with buffs/advantages in any form (esp if it's exclusive to cash shop); that's a precursor to pay to win.

[lackofwords]

So, are people genuinely against content (vanity) that are unattainable in game or are they simply hating the term micro transactions?

Speaking for myself, I'm a sucker for "limited time" or "exclusive" offers. Such as the cait-sith minion which was only available from pre-orders.
I did try to justify pre-ordering it for the PS4, even though I knew I would be playing mainly on the PC, but in the end I just wanted a useless virtual item that serves no purpose.
If I was really wanted FFXIV back-up copy for the PS4, I would have just waited for the price drop instead.

So, some people might be trying to justify their purchase, when they really just want some virtual item attached to it.

However, if you try to apply the same reasoning to buying stuff on the Cash Shop, then I have no desire to actually purchase any.
Because;

1. It isn't a limited time item
2. It isn't benefiting anyone in-game
3. It's frivolous spending of disposal income

Sometimes those bonus code items are a nice additional incentive to purchase merchandise. I was contemplating in buying the artbook when it went on sale, but decided not to get it yet. I'm also a sucker for buying artbooks.

[NoF2P]

I was contemplating in buying the artbook when it went on sale, but decided not to get it yet. I'm also a sucker for buying artbooks.

It's a very good artbook. It's almost like a reference, and full of comments by the artists.

[Sinsain]

People need to stop voicing their opinion since they are unhappy? So only positive feedback threads are allowed and okay?

[AdamFyi]

People need to stop voicing their opinion since they are unhappy? So only positive feedback threads are allowed and okay?

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions. Heck, it's pretty much encouraged to give feedback so that the developers have something to work with. It's just the way people are voicing out their opinions is what is not okay. They shouldn't be antagonizing the company, rather, they should be explaining and discussing their opinions and at the same time provide suggestions and actual feedback of what they think should be done to improve the situation without the insults. At least, this is from what I have read through so far. Too much "Mrgrgr" and "Unacceptable!" from both sides.