Dragoon buffs and Ninja nerfs coming Dec 9th in patch 2.45

[Instrumentality]

Yes, the NIN has more flexibility, and is less likely to lose DPS either way, but that doesn't actually address the *power* of the CC available to it.

Lol in what world are off-gcd binds and stuns/silences with minimal resource cost weaker than on-GCD massively wasteful resource cost moves? Just by virtue of being off-gcd they're amazing compared to any on-gcd move. The only other class that is as well off is bard.

[Giantbane]

It would raise a NIN's DPS even further, and we can't have that, now can we? *rolls eyes*

It would be ideal if NIN's DPS was less lag dependent and then balanced around that.

[Ooshima]

The only thing I can really say is wow the tears are so real... they haven't even released patch notes or detailed info and already people are saying DRG OP and NIN is dead.... seriously people

Welcome to the forums, where more than half of the people who complains that NIN are OP doesn't even really understand NIN nor produce the so-called OP DPS and plays it frequently enough, or inside coil.

NIN isn't OP, it was an ok job as it is.

DRG does need some fix, either though mDEF increment, and/or transfer the -10% INT debuff from MNK's Dragon Kick to Dragoons which makes more sense (where in teams that have no MNKs).

[Viridiana]

Lol in what world are off-gcd binds and stuns/silences with minimal resource cost weaker than on-GCD massively wasteful resource cost moves? Just by virtue of being off-gcd they're amazing compared to any on-gcd move. The only other class that is as well off is bard.

Yep, that's why people made sure to bring MNK to their Mythflox runs: That oGCD stun every 40 seconds is amazing. What's that? They actually used WHM Holy spam or SCH's Shadow Flare? Are you sure? I mean, both of those are GCD abilities. . .

Frankly, the only class that's worse off is BRD, because their CC ability has a lower potency at the same CD, nevermind that NIN can make Jugulate into a stun. Remember, this is evaluating them only as CC moves, not as DPS moves.

[roninoftagrm]

Just giving my bit as a DRG, the DPS a DRG does is currently terrible. It's sub-par. There's no reason to choose a DRG over any other DPS class currently because DRG can't do anything better than anyone else. It's outdamaged by both SMN and BLM (as far as I'm aware), while being an MDPS. It's versatility consists of 10% piercing damage increase (for itself and, oh, bards) and 2 stuns (which should never be needed, because that's a tanks job).

i thought people like to play classes even underpowered/gimped ones based on preference, hmmm<_<

[kyrios91]

DRGs finally getting a buff: OMG IMBA

NINs finally getting a nerf: OMG THE JOB IS DEAD!

[Fue]

Can we atleast wait till we see what and how much is being nerfed, before calling the job dead?

[Skeith-Adeline]

Here's my issue with the DRG buff. I don't believe they needed anything more than a M Def increase. That is really the only reason why DRGs are liabilities in Final Coil. Them getting DPS increase makes no sense to me. As I understood, DRGs were third on the DPS charts. A good DRG with an understanding of the fights will always put out respectable and /real/ damage in coils, barring M-Def related issues. Maybe I'm a little jealous that BLMs only had a potency increase (which I don't think was really needed, though greatly appreciated).

About the Ninja nerfs? Cool; awesome. I do think that is a fair deal. They are like a slightly weaker Monk with more utility.

[LunaHoshino]

Them getting DPS increase makes no sense to me. As I understood, DRGs were third on the DPS charts. A good DRG with an understanding of the fights will always put out respectable and /real/ damage in coils, barring M-Def related issues.

The loss of positionals hurts DRGs far more than it does MNK or NIN, effectively gimping us in numerous fights (particularly endgame ones) where we either couldn't make the positionals due to the positioning/mechanics of the bosses or would be putting ourselves or the rest of the raid at risk if we did. If a MNK misses their positionals, all that happens is that they don't get the positional buff. If a DRG misses theirs, one of their combos quite literally won't go off, and considering that it's a combo that places two DoTs on the boss, that is a major loss of DPS.

Increasing DPS is one way of compensating for that.

[Synestr]

We have to wait and see. I started as a PLD then wanted a DPS so went BLM. Then I challenged an old FC mate to getting DRG up. I really liked that job. I was doing great DPS, no where near MNK but it was good. My rotation is solid, get positionals, stayed alive as much as possible, etc. Then I decided to lvl all jobs up and DRG got parked, sitting at i93 or something. It needed the mDEF buff for sure, but the other changes make it seem like they are trying to easy mode it now.

I am currently bring NIN up and am loving it. It is a damn fun job to play. It is close to taking the third spot on my play roster replacing BRD. Again we will have to wait and see how it all plays out. The 9th is just around the corner.