Dragoon buffs and Ninja nerfs coming Dec 9th in patch 2.45

[Viridiana]

And here you go dragging in more irrelevant classes to this topic. Healers? Seriously? What's next? That Black Mages have apocatastasis and Ninja's don't?

I'm not arguing about utility. I'm arguing about how effective CC abilities are when used as CC.

You're making less and less sense. Tri-disaster could save a situation? There is only one instance where a single target bind would make or break an encounter and that used to be SCOB Turn 2. After all the nerfing binding isn't even necessary any more from any class. Be it melee DPS - as which was the topic originally - or some other class.

Monk has AoE silence, yay? But there is not a single occasion that AoE silence is necessary. All encounters where silence is even needed only requires single target silence.

And healers on stun duty? That's so unreliable, I guess White Mage have the worst stun capacity because it's near impossible to time right then!

Tri-disaster works in any place that a bind is needed. So, yes, it can be used in T7 if you needed to. It can also be used as an AOE bind which is, frankly, the only place I've heard of it being used (Garuda Hard). The fact that it's an AOE bind means that it's a more powerful CC than Hyoton, which is only single target. And while, yes, there are few places that binds are mechanically designed to be needed, you seem to be ignoring that a bind, like any CC, can give players breathing room when things are about to go south.

When I said that MNK silence is stronger than NIN silence, I was referring to the fact that it can be done every 6 seconds until you run out of TP. Yes, that's wasteful of TP; yes, it's a DPS loss. It's still stronger CC.

And yeah, I guess there are zero situations where an AOE stun would be useful. I mean, it's not like WHMs were using it to help tanks survive speedruns or anything. . .

Ninja Silence or Stun does it's job just like any other class: It silences/It stuns. At least Ninja has the access to both of them. With your logic, Dragoon and Bard CC are the worst compared to Ninja and Monks then because they only have one type that's remotely relevant to endgame content. Have I mentioned yet that nearly every boss is either immune to stun/silence or designed in a way you can do without? (4-man dungeon bosses)

Yep, it does. And that's why I'm not upset that it's on the weak end of the spectrum. DRG, while more limited in options, has better CC skills. Still not tank/healer tier, but I'd say middle of DPS tier. BRD I've already said has weaker CC than NIN (same or worse CC options with the same or worse CDs).

Which is also another too specific scenario to compare. 40s oGCD stun? You don't need a monk for that. Considering there's always a tank around, a warrior or paladin can solo stun anything in Brayflox - or other 4 man content for that matter - perfectly fine

My point

Your head

Yes, you're right, you don't bring a MNK for a 40s oGCD stun. You bring a WHM for 600 AOE potency and 7 seconds of stunlock on the AOE trash pulls, because you're trying to finish the first two bosses in five minutes. Or you bring a SCH for Shadow Flare. Either way, you're counting on healer CC to help the tank survive, because DPS CC just isn't that good.