SE enough of the treadmill, please make the game more interesting!

[MageBlack]

I thought the Coil sory centered around the 1.0 story and was heavily intertwined with that. About the battle of Cartaneu, Nael Van Darnus, Dalamud, Bahamut, etc. I'm not sure though since I have not done any of it yet. I want to as a 1.0 survivor but I'm not on consistently enough to get into a static coil party or lucky enough to get in a party willing to let me learn/teach me. I've watched vids but that only gets a person so far.

[cookiecutter]

I'm actually looking forward to the gold saucer. If its incorporated right, it should be a great place to forget about the grindier aspects of mmos. I hope they keep the prizes glamour only though since it'll stay more fun that way. If they added better gear to it, it would probably feel more like a chore than escape from the grind. The hunts were a pretty fun idea too before they became obsolete since it got more people to see the world and, it got people to try crazy things to spawn S ranks. The sightseeing log and treasure maps where also pretty decent ideas as well. SE is trying new ideas at least. They just need to create stuff that has a little more longevity and hopefully the gold saucer is just that.

[Velhart]

Still love that people want to overly complex stat/gear systems and don't think at all the consequences in adding these features. Its like they believe these ideas have no consequence to how the balance works in this game. Can someone justify why changing how the entire backbone of the game works for the worst of it is a worthwhile investment? I always love the "options" argument, there are plenty of options, you just don't like them. On just my job alone, I can choose to aim towards making a Det. set, a Crit set, a SS set, or hell I can make a balance of all three if I wanted to. The argument comes next is BiS. Well sorry to disappoint, but BiS happens no matter what you do or change. There will always be an optimized set up, there is no work around on this. SE gave you all the options by 2.3 in getting gear. You had Coils, Soldiery gear, get Sands/Oils and other gear from ST and Hunts, get weapons from primals, and so on.

Where is this idea that the game isn't offering variety in getting gear to aim towards your end game goal. The argument shouldn't be no options, it should be "I don't like these options." Instead of trying to create destructive criticism and tear the game down and build it back up, why don't you suggest new content that could be fun that does not deteriorate what the game already is? The game is open to various forms of content, you don't have to overhaul how stats/gear works to do it. Like I would love to have content like Nyzul Isle from FFXI. A 100-foot tower you go up with a 4-man group. There would obviously have to be some adjustments made to make it work in FFXIV, but I don't see why not. Not every floor has to be a gauntlet of enemies and bosses. One can be a randomized puzzle room you have to figure out before the timer goes. Hey look, I suggested something that doesn't compromise the entire backbone of the game. Its not hard.

I have just come to the conclusion that most people don't know what they want, they only know what they don't want.

[Tiggy]

The argument shouldn't be no options, it should be "I don't like these options." Instead of trying to create destructive criticism and tear the game down and build it back up, why don't you suggest new content that could be fun that does not deteriorate what the game already is?

I always find this interesting myself. Instead of offering reasonable suggestions to improve everyone starts with burning the existing system to the ground. What they don't seem to want to acknowledge is that's exactly why there suggestions will never be taken seriously. The game is out, its running, and there are so many aspects that for better or worse are ingrained deeply into the game and will never fundamentally change. So any change that tries to change those fundamentals is completely dead on arrival. We need to augment or make minor changes to existing systems and those are the suggestions we need.

They already burned the game to the ground once for 2.0. People shouldn't think there is any chance of it happening again. We need to move forward not backwards.

[MageBlack]

Tiggy: I thought i remembered reading somewhere that FFXIV will have three stories to follow. One is the main story that the game is centered around, mostly about the three city states, then there are two sub stories that supplement the main one. One of those stories being the Crystal Tower and another surrounding the fall of the Seventh(?) Umbral Era.

I could be mistaken though, its been a long while since i remembered reading that.

[Tiggy]

Tiggy: I thought i remembered reading somewhere that FFXIV will have three stories to follow. One is the main story that the game is centered around, mostly about the three city states, then there are two sub stories that supplement the main one. One of those stories being the Crystal Tower and another surrounding the fall of the Seventh(?) Umbral Era.

I could be mistaken though, its been a long while since i remembered reading that.

Sounds right to me. Scion 2.0-3.0 plot line is the main, Crystal Tower Side Story, Coil is the fall of the Seventh Umral Era side story, and the Hildebrand side story. By the time the 3.0 expansion comes out the Coil and CT stories will be completed.

[Alukah]

Yeah I wouldn't go as far as to say it has nothing to do with the main story, coil story along with CT story are meant to close the story of the calamity, the calamity is a key point of the current story.

The quests labeled as "Chronicles of a new era" are pretty much complementary stories, directly supporting the main quest, not like other "side story quests" as Hildibrand or Moogle postman quests.

[Akiza]

A reasonable option for SE would be to add a character progression system where players can augment their abilities at lvl 60 cap. Any gear based horizontal progression will end up being seen as a massive time sink.

[Tiggy]

A reasonable option for SE would be to add a character progression system where players can augment their abilities at lvl 60 cap. Any gear based horizontal progression will end up being seen as a massive time sink.

Like Merits? I imagine they'd have to make them pretty grindy or people would just max them quickly.

[Avarghaladion]

Like Merits? I imagine they'd have to make them pretty grindy or people would just max them quickly.

TBH, that would be fine. XI merits are a grind but they're a grind that involves no RNG whatsoever and for which you see consistent, incremental games. Additionally, if properly implemented, they add an effective long term goal and moderate degrees of customizability for different classes. SE straight up isn't gonna do anything like this for XIV though because "omg what about the poor, poor casuals!" and "lolbalance."