Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Mykll]

I do find it interesting that at the beginning these messages were in the game. Then they were removed maybe for abuse reasons, then recently got added back into the game.

[Grekumah]

As some in the thread have stated, the intention behind displaying the bonus message at the start of a duty was to motivate and incentivize experienced players to assist those who may be inexperienced.

While there may be players with malicious intentions on rare occasions, there are no plans to make adjustments to the display of the bonus message at this time. Please keep in mind that when it comes to party finder groups, the player who created the party can set up whatever rules they desire, and they are free to enforce those rules. However, with that said, a player who is being abusive regarding the bonus messaging, or who is kicking out newcomers in a derogatory manner, is in violation of the service agreement. Should you witness such an incident, please report the player to the GM team via the Support Desk.

[Barboron]

Please keep in mind that when it comes to party finder groups, the player who created the party can set up whatever rules they desire, and they are free to enforce those rules. However, with that said, a player who is being abusive regarding the bonus messaging, or who is kicking out newcomers in a derogatory manner, is in violation of the service agreement. Should you witness such an incident, please report the player to the GM team via the Support Desk.

That sounds all good but the standard GM report to a vote kick is that once a dispute occurs, the GMs do not get involved. I posted about it before, story and evidence too. It wasn't a PF group and nothing was done about the abuse I received as it was standard procedure to let it go after a dispute occurs.

[rblyell]

I think there should be an option to exclude players from Farm Groups, after clearing it ten times you gain the option to add that as a pre-req in PF.
I find that alot of people want to be carried. They haven't read anything on the fight or watched a video. Then when you try to help explainsuggest, since I am experienced, the new players begin to troll you. This is not always the case but I would say 1 person in 20, will actually want to help clear the content.

Merit System
I understand that new players need clears but there should be an option in DF to que up with the expectation of helping newer players, maybe add an additional bonus? Like a Merit Point system, so many Merit Points gain you a special minion or rare piece of gear or hairstyle. What is the insentive now? Extra 'nerfed' soildery points? There is no real incenstive for experienced players to want to help the new guys. And the new guys could rate the overall experience of the 'Coach'. Helpful? Useless? Rager?

[Ilitsa]

While there may be players with malicious intentions on rare occasions...Should you witness such an incident, please report the player to the GM team via the Support Desk.

That's where the error in thinking is with you guys though, it's -not- rare occasions, even in main scenario roulette, people get pissed off when they see the "first timer" bonus pop up. And GMs don't do jack about helping players targeted and attacked because of it. You guys turn a blind eye to it, stick your heads in the dirt and make believe that everything's sunshine and, well, it's not.

[RiceisNice]

...However, with that said, a player who is being abusive regarding the bonus messaging, or who is kicking out newcomers in a derogatory manner, is in violation of the service agreement. Should you witness such an incident, please report the player to the GM team via the Support Desk.

Too bad it was also mentioned that kicking players for having different play styles, not being up to snuff, or really you don't like them is not a GM's business to get involved.

[Rhas]

That sounds all good but the standard GM report to a vote kick is that once a dispute occurs, the GMs do not get involved. I posted about it before, story and evidence too. It wasn't a PF group and nothing was done about the abuse I received as it was standard procedure to let it go after a dispute occurs.

And I will post again that they can and do in fact get involved.

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It's all about *how* you report it.

Open support -> Frequently Asked Questions -> Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV - > File Report

*Every* time I file a report this way, a GM personally contacts me in game (even if its like 4-6 hours later)

I *have* reported people for abusing the 'kick' feature this way, GM's have directly told me (apologizing for it happening) via a /tell conversation with them saying they are opening an investigation with each incident I've reported and thanking me for reporting them. Abusing vote kick, according to the GM's I have personally talked to in game, is reportable because it affects *your* game experience.

[Picoman]

As some in the thread have stated, the intention behind displaying the bonus message at the start of a duty was to motivate and incentivize experienced players to assist those who may be inexperienced.

While there may be players with malicious intentions on rare occasions, there are no plans to make adjustments to the display of the bonus message at this time. Please keep in mind that when it comes to party finder groups, the player who created the party can set up whatever rules they desire, and they are free to enforce those rules. However, with that said, a player who is being abusive regarding the bonus messaging, or who is kicking out newcomers in a derogatory manner, is in violation of the service agreement. Should you witness such an incident, please report the player to the GM team via the Support Desk.

You read and answered the question but did not listen.

It is not working as intended.

Please display at the end.

[Krr]

"This thing we designed is actually fulfilling the opposite of its design goal. Working as intended! We have no intention to change it."

Oh, FFXIV devs.

[Riko_Futatabi]

As some in the thread have stated, the intention behind displaying the bonus message at the start of a duty was to motivate and incentivize experienced players to assist those who may be inexperienced.

While there may be players with malicious intentions on rare occasions, there are no plans to make adjustments to the display of the bonus message at this time. Please keep in mind that when it comes to party finder groups, the player who created the party can set up whatever rules they desire, and they are free to enforce those rules. However, with that said, a player who is being abusive regarding the bonus messaging, or who is kicking out newcomers in a derogatory manner, is in violation of the service agreement. Should you witness such an incident, please report the player to the GM team via the Support Desk.

The 100 bonus is too weak of an incentive. I've said it before that no one really cares for tomes anymore, they are easy to acquire regardless of this bonus. Change it or remove it, the game was better without it. Developers need to listen more and understand what bad situations you can create with such a simple message. I've already posted a while back about a change to something like "Increased drop rates/bonus loot". This would be better than the current 100 Soldiery bonus, but to be honest the message was never needed. You guys need to set up a team that actually plays your game so that you can understand what actually happens most of the time, you've created a bad community with your current "systems".