So Second Coil has been destroyed

[NyarukoW]

... we can watch all these player get raped ...

Really, you are going to harass people with misogynist and sexist language like that? And that is supposed to be funny how?

[Pr0c3ss0r]

Really, you are going to harass people with misogynist and sexist language like that? And that is supposed to be funny how?

bah, sorry if it was harassing you, i still find it funny. (no offense tght) murdered mean death, mean nothing much better than rapped.

Again sorry if i shocked you with a dictionary word.

[Exstal]

Really, you are going to harass people with misogynist and sexist language like that? And that is supposed to be funny how?

Sexism - Discrimination based on gender

Misogyny - the hatred or dislike of women or girls.

Rape - the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.

[MidlaneGod]

Really, you are going to harass people with misogynist and sexist language like that? And that is supposed to be funny how?

Not only a white knight but also a PC police. GG

[NyarukoW]

Not only a white knight but also a PC police. GG

White knight? What is that supposed to mean. I just happen to agree with SE's plan and implementation. None of this is new or unexpected.

PC police? We are not talking politics here. That kind of language have no place on the forums if people are to have a civil discussion.

Knowing full well what SE had on their road map months in advance and how SE was going to tune things, and knowing how SE is correct in following thru and implementing things as they said they would, you have no real arguments, so instead of expressing true feelings and concern, it is just insults after insults directed at 99% of the player base. Explain to me why the rest of us should have to accept that.

[Hayden]

BAH GODDAM SE let why you no let me type more than 1000 characters!

Long story short, this is how they roll.

The hard core's get to have their challenge, work hard to earn their shit, then when content is old and ignored and somebody has it down to spam-clearing 10 times an hour, they nerf it for the 30 something crowd, you know those of us with children, gainful employment, social commitments and busy schedules, who don't have time to sign a blood oath with a static, least we sacrifice our first born god forbid we have to work late and get stuck in the office. (OR lord help us if we accidently NEED a drop and become the servers most overdone meme)

Let's not even begin on how difficult it is to find a learning party, or the look of DEATH you get when you mutter the words "I've never done this before". Don't get me wrong, I've never attempted coil...at all...not even once. I've no beef against it, I've just not the time for as static. Roulette and dailies is basically how I can play the game. I log on, do my shit, rabble over my FC chat for a bit then its off to the salt mines. So when they nerf content I otherwise had no time for (COUGH ATMA STONES COUGH) I do a little dance. Because it means maybe players like me, with no real time to dedicate to a static, might get to this content later down the road.
You get the satisfaction of knowing you worked your ass off and got that shit done, and we shamelessly sneak in when the dust settles and get our now outdated armor and weapon so's that we don't get left in the dust when nobody's willing to do the old outdated runs and raids anymore.

Smart thinking on their part really.

[Izsha]

Long story short, this is how they roll.

The hard core's get to have their challenge, work hard to earn their shit, then when content is old and ignored and somebody has it down to spam-clearing 10 times an hour, they nerf it for the 30 something crowd, you know those of us with children, gainful employment, social commitments and busy schedules, who don't have time to sign a blood oath with a static, least we sacrifice our first born god forbid we have to work late and get stuck in the office.

People need to stop this BS idea. Raiders aren't nolife neckbeards in their moms basements. Nearly my entire static is older, college educated, gainfully employed people with real careers. Lawyers, fortune 500 companies, teachers, and everything else. We travel for business, have social lives and function like normal members of society.

Just because YOU can't balance raiding with your life doesn't mean everyone cant. Don't project your limitations on everyone else. This stereotype needs to go diaf.

[NyarukoW]

.... Raiders aren't nolife neckbeards in their moms basements. ...

I don't see how you get this from:

...those of us with children, gainful employment, social commitments and busy schedules, who don't have time to sign a blood oath with a static, least we sacrifice our first born god forbid we have to work late and get stuck in the office."...

And so what if people live in their parent basement, they are still paying customers and players. The problem only arise when insults are being thrown at the new/newer players, players with less time, etc.

[B]....
As someone who had both Coils on farm, I can tell you, NONE of my friends or other LS end gamers I know of would relish having Square give us "the original First Coil in its original difficulty."

All of the hardcore players on my server were GLAD we could blow through Turn 4 in 3 minute speed runs to farm our Nexus Lights (SO GOOD on Bonus Light!), and farm Allagan mat drops now. ...

That is so true. And SCoB with its current adjustment is still wiping farm parties that do NOT get the "soldiery bonus" message. It is nowhere close to being nerfed to the ground for free gimmes.

[Izsha]

I don't see how you get this from:

Because there is a rather obvious line they draw.

"The hard core's get to have their challenge, work hard to earn their shit, then when content is old and ignored and somebody has it down to spam-clearing 10 times an hour"

So far so good. Successful raiders get it done 1st. Often down to 'farm status'. No brainer. Simple description of raiders as people who do raids.

"(Then) they nerf it for the 30 something crowd(there's an age limit on raiding now? Assume much?), you know those of us with children(raiders can't have kids eother?), gainful employment(raiders don't have jobs), social commitments (raiders are anti social?)and busy schedules(raiders are never busy?), who don't have time to sign a blood oath with a static, least we sacrifice our first born god forbid we have to work late and get stuck in the office (hmm I've had to cancel my raids because I was stuck in the office before.....guess I'm not a raider).

This whole paragraph is loaded with assumptions and stereotypes. This could have been said simply as:

"after the raiders have it on farm, they nerf it for people that can't or won't raid." The end.

Instead we get a loaded statement implying raiders don't have the same problems as everyone else. It's just a other case of broad generalizations insulting a wide swath of people.

The problem only arise when insults are being thrown at the new/newer players, players with less time, etc.

Silly me I forgot, its only insulting when an endgame player is mean, never the other way around.

[Cynfael]

Really, you are going to harass people with misogynist and sexist language like that? And that is supposed to be funny how?

Not that I consider "rape" a particularly nice verb, but it's actually sexist to assume that it applies only to women.