So Second Coil has been destroyed

[ToffeeCoffee]

You can do Savage version if challenge is what you are really after. Second Coil has been out for over SIX months, plenty of time for people who are looking for challenge to beat it and farm. Now everyone else can try it, with slightly less punishing mechanics. Good thinking on SE's behalf, letting everyone a chance to experience slightly neutered content while destroying "clear seller" in the process. Great job developer, keep it coming, more "adjustment" to make contents very accessible for all

Savage was just a novelty thing they tried out with 6-9 so stop using it as a crutch for your argument.
Second Coil should have been put straight into the Duty Finder with solo queue option. This way any nerfs down the road wouldn't impact players who are going in for the first time and never got to experience as intended.
Yes a lot of players do not want to deal with the Party Finder and elitist attitudes often found within. It's probably the main reason you only saw the same people hanging around Fallguard Float and the rest of the server in only tomestone gear. Beating nerfed SCOB is neither fun, nor a challenge, nor an achievement.
It's a slap in the face of players who want to experience the game but can't due to the ridiculous lockout system being left on for so long. Lockout just makes carry sellers rich because they roll alt characters to get around the restriction. Lockout is also there because there is absolutely no other content in this game to play with your shiny relic and dreadwyrm/poetics.
I'm all for them running clear sellers out of town. Bunch of organised players who have the time to do it, but their egos speak more than their skill level. The ones on our server are lucky they have no competition.

[Luvbunny]

They could have put it on Duty Finder three months after release, before "adjusting" the mechanics for everyone else, six months after release. But overall it's great thinking to give anyone looking for challenge, a SIX months ahead of time to clear and experience it. If you still cannot clear or progress half a year later, let's not blame SE for your misfortune. A lot of players have their own reasons why they have not clear Bahamut Coil in the original difficulty curves. You can blame to "have to find 7 other persons who completely aware of the jump rope" mechanic or you wipe over and over.

[ToffeeCoffee]

They could have put it on Duty Finder three months after release, before "adjusting" the mechanics for everyone else, six months after release. But overall it's great thinking to give anyone looking for challenge, a SIX months ahead of time to clear and experience it. If you still cannot clear or progress half a year later, let's not blame SE for your misfortune. A lot of players have their own reasons why they have not clear Bahamut Coil in the original difficulty curves. You can blame to "have to find 7 other persons who completely aware of the jump rope" mechanic or you wipe over and over.

I don't disagree, I just think they need to give the Duty Finder crowd more credit. Not everyone has time for statics and the drama they often bring. If people want to go in DF and roll the dice, clears happen more often than a lot of people seem to think. If not who cares just queue again.

[Luvbunny]

The way they do it now is actually rather good. For SIX months, everyone in your server can group together, form a static, meet other people, and practice and try to clear the most difficult content in the game. Once the two patches cycle is over, the said content is adjusted so that most average players can have a chance to clear it. No matter what SE does, the vocal minority always complaints, and not in a good way either. I like the way things are run now. If you don't care about jump rope mechanic, you can wait 6 months for the adjustment. Otherwise, gear up and try to form a static, or party finder it, and get your sense of achievement. Once the exclusivity time is up, everyone else can try it

[ToffeeCoffee]

The way they do it now is actually rather good. For SIX months, everyone in your server can group together, form a static, meet other people, and practice and try to clear the most difficult content in the game. Once the two patches cycle is over, the said content is adjusted so that most average players can have a chance to clear it. No matter what SE does, the vocal minority always complaints, and not in a good way either. I like the way things are run now. If you don't care about jump rope mechanic, you can wait 6 months for the adjustment. Otherwise, gear up and try to form a static, or party finder it, and get your sense of achievement. Once the exclusivity time is up, everyone else can try it

Not everyone wants to join statics, why are those players forced to wait for nerfs to experience the content. Duty Finder should be an option for everyone prior to the nerf bat being swung. It's not rocket science..just bosses vs players: dps, heals, tanking, move here/there/dodge, face this way/that way. No different to the dungeons in the game really, only less forgiving.
In a lot of cases, organising and maintaining a static is more difficult than the content itself. Having 4 people quit and finding replacements, having one person say he'll only join your static if his friend can join too but you don't have room for the friend, people unapologetically showing up to raid late or no showing and looking for PUGs at 2am, having people argue over loot, PUGs filling in and rolling your loot never to be seen again, etc. etc. etc.

[Luvbunny]

Except that Coil is somewhat difficult to just randomly PUG via Duty Finder. Sure you will sometimes find good group, but most often is nothing but "vote to dismiss". For 6 months everyone who wants to experience the normal difficulty can do Party Finder. I would assume you are not the only person, so it should be easy to party finder this no? The fact that these players would all be in the same server as yours is great bonus, since you can add them to your friend list and possibly team up again for next time and make semi static. It's a great incentive to make friends with like minded players in your server.

[Nonoko]

You do know that 2.5 is most likely going to be the last patch before the expansion and all the new content in there, Right?~, SE is just trying to let more players experience Coil before moving on to a new story, new raids/etc, Final Coil will be there for the hardcore players, but now more casual players will be able to finally see how the story continues, not everyone focuses on hardcore, endgame content, some people don't have time, or whatever, making old content easier allows those players to be able to experience that part of the game, they get to see how the story unfolds, or obtain that cool looking armor they've always wanted to glamour, the stuff you get there mostly obsolete now, so i don't see what the big deal is~

i'm happy more people will get to experience it. ( ' u '

[Luvbunny]

Not everyone focuses on hardcore, endgame content, some people don't have time, or whatever. Making old content easier allows those players to be able to experience that part of the game, they get to see how the story unfolds. Or obtain that cool looking armor they've always wanted to glamour, the stuff you get there mostly obsolete now, so i don't see what the big deal is~ i'm happy more people will get to experience it. ( ' u '

Apparently people who sell clear for these are not very happy since now their major source of income is rendered somewhat moot.

[Mayh]

If you beat it already then who cares, move onto 3rd coil and stop going after people who are playing catchup still.

Exactly this. Come on people.

[KodiHivaer]

If you beat it already then who cares, move onto 3rd coil and stop going after people who are playing catchup still.

^THIS GUY.