So Second Coil has been destroyed

[Makado]

The reason people care is because they didn't just add echo they literally took any challenge out of the fights. Part of the fun in coil is doing something challenging where you need to be cautious and aware. They removed all of that and just said "play whackamole".

[polyhedral]

50 pages of clear sellers trying to troll because of their butthurt, and getting very few likes doing so.

Keep it up guys. This thread proves quite a bit about the community.

[Kallera]

Yes, thank you for your stellar input. And I care, fyi, because I pay them money for a game I can enjoy.

If you've read other posts on these forums, they are littered with people like me who help whenever possible. I'm constantly in learning/clear parties. The fact remains, we can't help everyone and I doubt everyone's luck is so bad that they can't ever join or even create a learning party and no one is willing to join.

I know you don't want to hear this, but your efforts aren't enough. They sure as hell do not lift the prevailing attitudes about endgame content. And you do not account for the lockouts that were in coil by design. You know what I see littered in the pf? Parties that ask for people that have already beaten it, and use the new player bonus as a stigma.

[Evangela]

"Elitists".

[Felessan]

with t1-5 it was "easy" to get over because most of it was largely unchanged. t6 and t7 however, have been made easier than t1(not my opinion).

I went to DF parties for T7 for my amusement. Out of 4 parties and about 15 tries we cleared T7 once. It's much easier than before, but nowhere near current T1 in terms of difficulty.
You need to do something with Renauds as unfreezed pack of 4 will kill your healers just as they did it before. You need to be carefull with voice/shrieks as unfortunate petrification will cause wipe, especially if tanks/healers is be petrified. You need to dispel otherwise people drop like a flies from venomous tail. You need to focus adds (and half of people tends to ignore this) or offtank dies and then everyone else.
It's more a story of a bad parties than a good one, but still it clearly shows that even with actual gear this content cannot be facerolled by any casual group, you need a little bit of understanding anyway.

t7 facing away barely matters anymore, except for avoiding giving the boss stacks. renauds hit for about the same that regen tics for (4-500) so just let healers grab em or let them wander around.

Raid-wide shriek still will cause wipe more often than not and many misfired voices have very serious consequences, Yes, it's not that fatal as it was before, but far from ignoring it completely.
Do you know what happens when someone decides to stone tank and melee on first adds phase? they create a very nice composition while second add just kills all healers and proceed wiping a raid.

[Snugglebutt]

Yeah, and there's a 50 page thread on it and how people are upset. I'm just saying that maybe next time they can see that such heavy nerfs off the bat wasn't such a great idea. There is such thing as middle ground contrary to how SE acts.

The 50 pages is mostly people having a go at the few people whining about it. If this thread is anything to go by then SE made the right move. Annoyed a few, pleased a lot more.

[Black91CRX]

6 month old content got nerfed. Deal with it.

[Kaze3434]

Raid-wide shriek still will cause wipe more often than not and many misfired voices have very serious consequences, Yes, it's not that fatal as it was before, but far from ignoring it completely.
Do you know what happens when someone decides to stone tank and melee on first adds phase? they create a very nice composition while second add just kills all healers and proceed wiping a raid.

i would actually love to see that. the adds hitting as hard as the used to can make for a very fast wipe if tanks are stoned.

[Seibah]

Those nerfs are even worse than first coil. Turn 7 was amazing and unique. Now it would be a complete joke and snooze fest. Good job SE, you continue to prove your incompetence with raids!

T7 was already a huge pain in the ass to do each week. If there was any incompetence in designing a raid, it was making mechanics so tedious on that turn.

[Laraul]

with t1-5 it was "easy" to get over because most of it was largely unchanged.

Turn 1 no longer has the slime-puddles which would need to be dragged into the snakes to further reduce their HP.

Here I've done Turn 6 already post 2.41. Take a look for yourself. It's not that different. The same applies to turns 7 and 8 I'm guessing. Yes it's easier. But not *that* much easier. Blighted Bouquet still does significant damage. This is my first win of course for turn 6. I've got the first two phases down pat. It's the last phase I've had trouble with.

What bothers me more is people in here saying "want a challenge do savage." Savage is an entirely different beast, with enough gear many of the mechanics can be cheesed

This is exactly how newcomers feel about standard second coil. Regardless Second Coil is still challenging and if you want to prove your "l33t skillz" you have savage coil.