So Second Coil has been destroyed

[MicahZerrshia]

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I find he calls the op "entitled" one hilarious.

[HulveinBlitz]

Seems like both sides would be happy... if the lockout system was removed.

Then they'd have to decide on a new way to distribute loot? Then... something else.. But why argue amongst yourselves, when really... the answer is pretty much no lockout?

They wouldn't need to nerf it, if they had no lockout. Because then people could do it whenever they want right? Thats what the other side want, no? Yoshida already said they're looking into a token system or some sort.. so just chill out, and hope that going into 3.0 *which will be when the next major raids appear, a new system has been implemented (which lets be real, they probably will jump off the current path).

[Sapphic]

Why some people acting all surprised/outrage/whatever I have no idea. I for one welcome the changes. Means easier gearing up my alt in SCoB :P But seriously, we all knew it was going to happen and the changes make it so it is doable in DF.


Some say "It gets players upto content they shouldn't be because they didn't learn the mechanics properly", Just step back a second there and look at all the clear sellers, they have been doing that for months. If you say that and are selling content, contradict yourself much?

More players able to experience more content means more happier players. Happy players pay SE money which in turn, minus their profit/expenditure gets re-invested back into the game. Win-win for everyone.

If you feel that in game is where you can feel special because of a few pixels that you don't even own (all property belongs to SE, including your account) You really need to check your priorities if other players are now able to access older content causes so much of a internal rage with you.

Egos and epeens, one day you will grow up and look back and realise what a turnip you where XD

[Ellatrix]

This entitlement generation is really disappointing. That feel you get after working long and hard and finally beating the last boss? Yea you don't get that from this now. Probably don't even know what that feel is because you give up cause it's "too hard". If you feel any sense of accomplishment now from this, that's hilarious. Go try your hand at some mobile games that let you throw money at it to win.

[NyarukoW]

This entitlement generation is really disappointing...

It is a game, stop with the nonsensical insults.

That feel you get after working long and hard and finally beating the last boss? Yea you don't get that from this now...

Last I checked Nael is no longer the last boss. You get that feeling when you clear T13 in the current era. Making the game more inclusive and accessible is a smart thing SE is has done, and this way people can try to catch the the train for T13.

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... if there's nothing else you could do to prevent it, how come you didn't mention queueing as a healer or tank there? ..

If I already queue as bard, what else can I do to stop the speed runners? I don't even know how this is related. I get 2 tanks or 2 healers from the FC to protect the 1st timers from being forced to skip cutscenes in CM and prae. Sometimes I am the one of the tanks or healers, so it we can go in with solidarity.

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I can't wait for her to stop replying in this thread
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I probably shouldn't bother with this, but at least I am not wasting posts on a old thread where there was no real question being asked. Just like new threads replace old ones, FCoB replaces SCoB. No need to be hung up on the old stuff.

[Ghishlain]

I get 2 tanks or 2 healers from the FC to protect the 1st timers from being forced to skip cutscenes in CM and prae. Sometimes I am the one of the tanks or healers, so it we can go in with solidarity.

If you can get two tanks and two healers to help new players for CM and Prae, then I bet you can get two tanks and two healers to do Coil as well. It's a learning party for all! /partyallnightlong

[NyarukoW]

If you can get two tanks and two healers to help new players for CM and Prae, then I bet you can get two tanks and two healers to do Coil as well.....

Right... It is all DPS people with their sub iLevel80 tanks doing CM and Prae. No way are they ready for T5 and up, and tanking is just their off class not their main.

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"Other people are just new/bad" - which is a direct contradiction to your "99% aren't lazy/bad" statement

There is no contradiction. Quit calling other players bad. It is a game. People need time to learn and practice to clear the content. They are not lazy either. New is not lazy or bad.

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This directly implies that people would rather buy a clear as opposed to learning the content for themselves, as you cannot force someone to pay for a clear party. ...

Not all people by clears and most probably do not. In any case the clear sellers obviously can help but they do not. You can't force them, but that doesn't mean they are ethical in what they do. And people who buy the clears are also ethically challenged. But there is no contradiction. Learning parties could used experience and skilled people to teach and guid, and those obvious skilled and experienced people are busying trying to sells clears. And it has even observed that clear sellers go wipe learning/clear parties to drive clear sells.

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... So always fight injustice where it comes up.

That's how evil wins, if the good guys do nothing about it.

That is correct. And there is people who are ethically challenged selling clears. That is injustice that needs to be stopped. Also all the insults (lazy, bad, spoonfed, etc.etc. ) which are all false directed towards 99% of the player base who have yet to even set foot in T9, that kind of slander and injustice needs to stop too.

[Ghishlain]

Right... It is all DPS people with their sub iLevel80 tanks doing CM and Prae. No way are they ready for T5 and up, and tanking is just their off class not their main.

Thus you start them at T1 and work your way up. Baby steps. You're not jumping straight into T5+, you're starting from the bottom and teaching them everything.

[EDIT] I can't read apparently, but still point stands to a degree that if you're taking a new tank and/or healer through CM and Prae, then you can teach them the ropes of Coil in the near future too as that's an indication they want to keep that role.

[Madotsuki]

and those obvious skilled and experienced people are busying trying to sells clears. And it has even observed that clear sellers go wipe learning/clear parties to drive clear sells.

I think your tin foil hat is a few sizes too short.

[RiceisNice]

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I can attest to a very small population within my server that doesn't do fight mechanics properly, doesn't learn grasp the mechanics, and still complain that the fight is too hard. I'm talking about ones that do not stack for conflags, dies to Twintania's plummet. Bonus points that they (and for the most part, this applies) aren't even assed to learn how their class plays or even bother communicating with the party, that we have to vote kick or regroup.

Granted again, this is a very small population. People need to stop throwing blanket insults or pairing "people" with "person" when making these sort of claims.

Gear Ilvl is hardly the issue anymore unless it's on the DPS, and even then there are hardly any dps check fights in early coil...the only two I can think off the top of my head are Ramuh and Shiva, both trial/primals. I could tank shiva just fine at ilvl 100 and not lose aggro unless the other tank insists on doing their enmity combo or catching Shiva in their AoE during adds.