So Second Coil has been destroyed

[PandaPause]

Because that would work in this game.

Could you point out where I mentioned it would work in FFXIV?

[WHS]

What. The. Fu#%.

I had been working on SCoB when I could get a group that didn't require a previous kill and was having fun with it, now it is a total joke? At least with echo you can turn it off. From now on I guess it's a situation where you better clear everything while it is still recent or you will never be able to enjoy the fight in its full form.

Either be in a static and do current coil, or faceroll everything. Some middle ground would be nice. Just because some players are casual doesn't mean they don't want a challenge.

You still have savage mode for that joy you are asking for. It has no echo and no nerfs to be exact.

[Pterois]

the amount of "leet-ism" here makes me sick, y'all got your clears before it was nerfed (and your pretty dense if you didn't think it was gonna happen) you been rocking the gear that already mean nothing to you because you're now rocking/seeking the FCOB gear, you now have to ability to farm that gear that never dropped (and wanted to glam) with just a little bit more ease because lets be honest, you said it in the back of your head... 'I've done this a hundred times already."

i have 4 kids and i just cant dedicate the time you crazy raiders and your 3, 4, 5 times a week raid schedule. I want nothing else but to get into scob and even fcob... and its not for a lack of skill, it because a lack of time. Lack of time to put together a good group and practice diligently because they cant dedicate that time just like me... because crazy detected raiders and us filthy casuals never mix well.

[Seiryuukishi]

I recently joined a raiding fc in which the leader politely asked me if I desired to do fcob. I told him I hadn't cleared scob yet but had some minor experience with t6. Ultimately down the road I would like to though. He said that was fine and they could get me through. I just see this as me getting there faster. /shrug. No need to get our nickers in a twist folks, it's a means to an end.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Actually, I find that nerf quite insulting. I mean, based on what I read in this thread, there were people wanting to clear the SCOB with its original difficulty. It must be really frustrating to have the chance of doing SCOB and bam! A lot of the challenging mechanics are gone. I don't mind the echo, but they could just leave all the mechanics untouched. I also don't get the people saying "HODOR, YOU HAVE SAVAGE". If you guys didn't do Savage, it's miles away from the SCOB difficulty. Now there's no middle point and some people would have loved that. Thankfully, T9 remains the same for now, so people can experience that fight with all its original mechanics.

Yes, it is older content, but the whole SCOB was an excellent challenge and, most important, it was fun. I really don't care if I see an unskilled player decked out in HA. I really don't. I don't sell runs either, my FC does. I'm against that actually. I just feel that they're taking the fun away...

[Kuroyasha]

Oh well. Do savage and get your gear left to farm that way. If you've beaten t13 already dont act like 2nd coil hadnt already become easy for you anyway way b4 this echo/nerf. If it was really about you just wanting challenge still you'd just stick to savage. But you complained about your tough coil being ruined despite the fact there's still a tough option available. Sounds like you just wanted to keep it hard enough for u to farm it while those catching up can still be unable to get past old content so you can feel superior.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Awww, OP, is this going to dip into your SCOB clear sales? I feel so sad for you I'm almost in tears.

#sarcasm

[Pterois]

I'm surprised the majority aren't generally unhappy with the nerfs... snip.

that comparison is a stretch at best. the further back you go in gaming history the more impossible games were. You think i feel like the baddest ass on the block because me and a group of friends beat the original mega man??? no we felt like idiots afterwards (still proud tho lol) because it took about 2 days of skipping school and NEVER turning off that NES lol... it is a exaggerated version of this situation. The fights have been out... people strived and posted their world first... the good fight has been fought. walk off into the sunset with your achievement because no one can take it from you.

p.s. i dont remember having to beat ruby to get to emerald??? because i never beat ruby and i did beat emerald lol >.<

[craig_meredith2003]

We knew it was coming. So the people that wanted to beat it while it was still hard had what 9 months to do so?

[BloodPact]

Oh well. Do savage and get your gear left to farm that way. If you've beaten t13 already dont act like 2nd coil hadnt already become easy for you anyway way b4 this echo/nerf. If it was really about you just wanting challenge still you'd just stick to savage. But you complained about your tough coil being ruined despite the fact there's still a tough option available. Sounds like you just wanted to keep it hard enough for u to farm it while those catching up can still be unable to get past old content so you can feel superior.

It's not about that. It's about things those instances made you learn that people can now skip. It's not about (at least on my point of view) gating people so I can feel better, because honestly, they'll still get facerolled by Nael in Turn4. It's about the learning experience those mechanics gave us that made those who were able to master them better players. If all you want is the "cool" Mapping the Realms achievement and feel better because you finally downed them then good for you, after today you learn nothing from them.