So Second Coil has been destroyed

[Snugglebutt]

However, you now have a huge gap in difficulty between savage and normal. A new player whose skill level falls in that middle area will do SCoB normal and think it's much too easy. Then they might try Savage SCoB and find it much too difficult. This would lead to the conclusion that the game is unbalanced and is what I mean by hurting the game.

No new player to second coil normal mode will think it is easy anymore so than new players first stepping into first coils or T5 unless they pay for a clear or get carried. Any new player running it will find it challenging especially if they do so in DF instead of PF but the scaling of difficulty is not really that much different than before. They also cannot try savage coil until they cleared normal which includes T9 and that I believe only has a 10% echo buff. However even if they cannot get past the hurdle of T9 now much like some people struggle with T5, the previous 6-8 did not change how hard T9 was even prior to the nerf so they would be as stuck now as they were before and not more so.

All this change really does in terms of impact on the player base is moved the hurdle further up the food chain after this content had been out almost a year plus new more difficult content was added on top of it, allowing more people to get past this old content and experience it fully while at same time does not detract from the amount of content that offers up the biggest challenge as they added new raids since original second coil came out that fills that gap which the elitists and hardcore desire. So he hardcore do not lose out because of this, newer hard content has been added and released since this one came out around 9 months ago which caters to their tastes.

The hardcore however are only a microscopic amount of the player base in the game so SE has to cater to more than just them. Changing very old content to allow people to catch up or progress the story while at same time creating new harder content for the hardcore is how they have always done it and will continue to do it because quite frankly that is how it should be done. Second coil original is just as challenging as want it to be if you so chose, stop going in with gear far surpassing its ilvl requirement, mix up your group composition or run it with people outside your static and the people who farm it in their over-geared characters and statics will still find it potentially challenging if do such things.

[Prototype909]

It does not take away from the game more than it adds to it, your example of replacing Titan EX with Titan HM is not accurate, it is more akin to you still have Titan EX and still have Titan HM in that you still have second coil normal and second coil savage.

More like you have Titan Hard and Titan EX+ except EX+ the same drops as "hard" mode. If Savage actually had tangible rewards to justify being a harder instance people would just go do that, but it doesn't, which is why it's ignored (And for whatever reason it locked you out of normal Coil). All you people who are saying "Just do Savage" probably haven't even seen T9 so I'm not sure why you're trying to bring it up like it's the same thing as what normal Coil was.

[Ashkendor]

More like you have Titan Hard and Titan EX+ except EX+ the same drops as "hard" mode. If Savage actually had tangible rewards to justify being a harder instance people would just go do that, but it doesn't, which is why it's ignored (And for whatever reason it locked you out of normal Coil). All you people who are saying "Just do Savage" probably haven't even seen T9 so I'm not sure why you're trying to bring it up like it's the same thing as what normal Coil was.

The thing is, people keep talking about the challenge. It's supposedly not even about the loot anyway. Like I said in a previous post, even if two separate versions had been left in, the people crying the most about these changes would still be farming in the "easy mode" coil anyway.

[Taika]

The thing is, people keep talking about the challenge. It's supposedly not even about the loot anyway. Like I said in a previous post, even if two separate versions had been left in, the people crying the most about these changes would still be farming in the "easy mode" coil anyway.

What people (I think) want, is medium difficulty content. Something that offers a challenge compared to for example dungeons or ST, but isn't as hard as the current toughest content (FC and Savage Coil). The previous tier of Coil could have been just that, with higher item levels and maybe even echo bonus. But nerfing the mechanics makes it no more challenging than the standard level 50 grind content, which is what I think many are complaining about. There's already so much of easy level 50 content, a couple of instances of actually challenging content, but there's nothing in between, currently.

I haven't completed Savage Coil, and have in fact only entered one turn of it, but I think offering it as an alternative for unnerfed Coil 2 is simply ridiculous, and I think everyone who have tried both of them knows it.

[RakaMaimhov]

I actually have a legitimate concern that making mechanical changes of this nature could be hurting the longevity of the game much more than helping it.

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I hope the devs pick up on this imbalance and are able to find a more reasonable solution which will not take away but rather add to the game.

I'd like to see them implement the regular version of 2nd coil with echo (optional) as well as nerf mode. That way there are easy, regular, and brutal modes to play. I don't see why that would be so difficult to do at all.

[CrystalRainbow]

As for turn 5, I can get to twisters and then every group I've that far with wipes. within seconds.

Only way I see myself clearing turn 5, which is 9 month old content is paying 1m+ gil for a carry party. Which I'm not going to do. If 3.0 comes out and I haven't clear it, I think I will move onto another game at that point as clearly the content is to hard for me to understand.


As for the memorizing the battle to know what to do. I would take a random unscripted battle where there is enough time to react vs knowing ahead of time what you need to do. I have a really bad memory but normally my reaction time is ok.

[saber_alter]

The threads too long for me to pore through right now, can anyone confirm any nerfs besides echo to turn 9?

[RakaMaimhov]

How is this fun? .

Cool, now people who just wanted to do these raids for the storyline can enjoy them instead of having to experience it vicariously through You Tube.

Stop your whining, everyone. These fights have been out for months and they are old. People had their time to enjoy them. Let the scrubs watch their cutscenes while you move on to final coil.

I'm really starting to think a lot of you complain just for the sake of complaining.

Also, everyone KNEW these changes were coming, so why are you whining about them?

(Oh right, because by making 2nd coil easier to pass, it takes away the profit dividends for the people selling coil runs to other players! DUH! You people are so sickeningly transparent in your motives, you should all take a writing class or two so you can learn how to dissemble better in your posts.)

[Coldbrand]

They should lobotomize all the MTG players so the casuals can have fun once Triple Triad comes out. It's only fair we've been doing content for two decades.

[StouterTaru]

How bout this, if you want it to be just as hard as it was (very likely even harder), just do it solo in duty finder. I guarantee it will be 10x more difficult with a PUG than you had it in static.

The issue with not nerfing it is that it's old content, blocking casual and newer players, with no incentive for the hardcore to assist them. Remember Titan HM before trial roulette? Who wants to spend an hour helping noobs attempt to get their relic only to fail repeatedly, or finally make it and get that whopping 10 tomes?

There's two options for keeping the game as a whole going, nerf old content or keep hardcore gamers playing the same old content for a year. Which one would you bitch about less?