Great thread. You make a lot of great points and I concur that anyone who is whining about the patch are just either bad at the game or don't properly know how to adapt.

Quote Originally Posted by Raim View Post
You need to reevaluate your opinion of SE's abiity to balance hate if you think telling everyone to not attack for 30 seconds at the beginning of a fight is in any way normal.
It's actually extremely common in MMO's for DPS to hold off a few seconds before certain difficult fights. It goes along with the strategy, and to be honest I'd rather hold off for a simple 20-30 seconds than have a tank that gets hate extremely easy at the start and never has a chance of losing it throughout the fight.