1.18: Wipe your tears and open your eyes!

[viion]

OP do you honestly think people just go to fight a NM right away, using their old tactics, fail and think ZOMG BROKE instantly without trying to adjust, knowing its changed, and trying countless times? Its basic instinct to adjust.... This community isnt full of retards who cant tie their own shoelace.

and the fact is what you might think works on 1 mob, might not work on another, so you could be blasting through dungeons keeping hate, good for you, why does it work? Because dungeons have been optimized the crap out of with the new enmity and stuff. While every other mob wouldnt have been. Do you think they are going to spend days testing, optimizing and tweaking a couple of nms? Probably did non at all. Take Cacutars for example, they have almost zero hate gains. No matter how hard you try.

People complaining because they all trying different mobs that react differently and their complain should be more about how unbalanced enmity is in the greater sense. Its only balanced for new content.

And I also agree with Raim, telling your PT to not do anything for 30+ seconds is very stupid.

[Misha]

OP do you honestly think people just go to fight a NM right away, using their old tactics, fail and think ZOMG BROKE instantly without trying to adjust, knowing its changed, and trying countless times? Its basic instinct to adjust.... This community isnt full of retards who cant tie their own shoelace.

and the fact is what you might think works on 1 mob, might not work on another, so you could be blasting through dungeons keeping hate, good for you, why does it work? Because dungeons have been optimized the crap out of with the new enmity and stuff. While every other mob wouldnt have been. Do you think they are going to spend days testing, optimizing and tweaking a couple of nms? Probably did non at all. Take Cacutars for example, they have almost zero hate gains. No matter how hard you try.

People complaining because they all trying different mobs that react differently and their complain should be more about how unbalanced enmity is in the greater sense. Its only balanced for new content.

And I also agree with Raim, telling your PT to not do anything for 30+ seconds is very stupid.

Actually sad thing is the community IS full of retards to be blunt (Anti-social at that too lmao), majority ignorant and not trying to change at all. Personally it would amaze me if in fact these people CAN in fact tie even one shoe let alone both :P Everyone and their mom still has "Sticky shoes" and refuses to use a variety of different abilities, move around battlefeild more and mind their placement in fights, as well as manage their mp effectively xD And it's actually basic instinct to fear change and differences :P Luckly Reasons more powerful than instinct for some people lol

Edit: Tank should ALWAYS be at the head of the party... while 20-30 seconds is a bit much, agreed there, people need to stop rushing ahead of the tank and give them at least time to enter battle. (A good 5-10 seconds doesn't hurt)

[syntaxlies]

so you saying that enmity is not broken you just have to rank 4 classes to get enough skills to tank? gotcha.

[tachikoma]

so you saying that enmity is not broken you just have to rank 4 classes to get enough skills to tank? gotcha.

No he is saying you need a few key skills to be the most effective tank in the game. You can easily make due with just the Glad and shield skills @ 50 + having CON/THM @20 and maybe adding in MRD at 20 for +10% emnity. Getting a job to 20 is a single day affair, and can be done in 1-2hours if you know what your doing. This is by no means required.

If you want to tank with zero loss of hate for the entire fight against our current most difficult NM's then you need a few cross class skills and a party who knows there head from their ars (aka they know how to avoid spamming sac3/cure3 within the first 30 seconds of a fight.

Curaga MP costs and hate generation: this is the one area i feel regarding hate generation that needs adjustment. Right now you can avoid this issue by using ranged DD's but taking a pug into the ogre fight for DD purpose is not very advisable. The cost to cure them is too high and pushes you into the arc/thm/con/tank onry mentality. I think if they lowered the curaga hate and mp costs SLIGHTLY it would be enough to help mix up the party dynamics and help get the other jobs in the mix.

[syntaxlies]

No he is saying you need a few key skills to be the most effective tank in the game. You can easily make due with just the Glad and shield skills @ 50 + having CON/THM @20 and maybe adding in MRD at 20 for +10% emnity. Getting a job to 20 is a single day affair, and can be done in 1-2hours if you know what your doing. This is by no means required.

If you want to tank with zero loss of hate for the entire fight against our current most difficult NM's then you need a few cross class skills and a party who knows there head from their ars (aka they know how to avoid spamming sac3/cure3 within the first 30 seconds of a fight.

Curaga MP costs and hate generation: this is the one area i feel regarding hate generation that needs adjustment. Right now you can avoid this issue by using ranged DD's but taking a pug into the ogre fight for DD purpose is not very advisable. The cost to cure them is too high and pushes you into the arc/thm/con/tank onry mentality. I think if they lowered the curaga hate and mp costs SLIGHTLY it would be enough to help mix up the party dynamics and help get the other jobs in the mix.

correct me if im wrong, but isnt the mar +10 emnity a lvl 30 trait.

[NoctisUmbra]

correct me if im wrong, but isnt the mar +10 emnity a lvl 30 trait.

Yes, and rank 30 traits for any class can be obtained as soon as rank 20 upon completing the rank 20 class quest.

[NoctisUmbra]

so you saying that enmity is not broken you just have to rank 4 classes to get enough skills to tank? gotcha.

No, I am saying enmity is not broken just because you have to do more than spam two vokes to hold hate.

I am saying getting certain skills from other classes will help you tank better.

I am saying GLA is efficient at tanking, but it was not built solely around tanking. It's a class, not a Job.

[Reika]

I think enmity is broken when i lose threat to someone (a healer go figure), they start standing there so I can get it back, and it somehow takes 4 provokes, 4 disorients, 1 taunt, 2 accomplices, a heavy stab, heavy slash, 2 weaponskills, warmonger and 2 war drums and healing that healer myself as he got punched in the face to finally get it back.... Half way through doing all that i finally became yellow on the threat meter again. I can only think that someone accompliced me too, but if i cant get it back after all that it couldn't have been accomplice. fortunately that has only happened once. Tho i'd say it was a bug that hasn't been repeated in that intensity.

[NoctisUmbra]

I think enmity is broken when i lose threat to someone (a healer go figure), they start standing there so I can get it back, and it somehow takes 4 provokes, 4 disorients, 1 taunt, 2 accomplices, a heavy stab, heavy slash, 2 weaponskills, warmonger and 2 war drums and healing that healer myself as he got punched in the face to finally get it back.... Half way through doing all that i finally became yellow on the threat meter again. I can only think that someone accompliced me too, but if i cant get it back after all that it couldn't have been accomplice. fortunately that has only happened once. Tho i'd say it was a bug that hasn't been repeated in that intensity.

Enmity is very damage based too now. Throw in some weaponskills that generate extra enmity, like Barrage, Phalanx, Jarring Strike, etc.

In general, it is known that not all mobs have the same enmity patterns so there's a learning curve,

[Reika]

Enmity is very damage based too now. Throw in some weaponskills that generate extra enmity, like Barrage, Phalanx, Jarring Strike, etc.

In general, it is known that not all mobs have the same enmity patterns so there's a learning curve,

Read that again please... It was with the ogre btw. no hate wipe skills. I had a few mins of hate built up already, and he took me down to green in threat. Plus we had 3 healers, he was near full on MP.