When is it OK to say, "It's Not OK"

[Tiggy]

They are comprised of skilled and/or lucky players who were able to get through T5, but lack empathy for those who have yet to clear because, like they themselves, the people who have yet to clear have to rely on the resources they have to clear and should not receive any special treatment.

There's no real "right" or "wrong" group here. Just two groups of people with two very different, very polarized ideologies.

I agree with everything you said but these two points. You assume there are only two kinds of people, and that those with T5 wins all don't have empathy for those without. That is false. There are many people with wins that do want others to get wins and to move to harder content. That has been largely my point in this entire thread. It's not black and white. It's not us or them. It's a large community of complex individuals and it is a disservice to lump them all into a Have or Have Not beaten T5 group, even more of a disservice to then equate traits to those people solely based on their T5 status. The only thing that separates that kind of attitude from things like racism is that we are talking about personality traits and abilities as opposed to the color of ones skin. It's still a prejudice based on something as arbitrary as beating a single boss.

Are there people who have the wins that don't help others? Sure, but the opposite is true to. There are people with wins that do help others.

Are there people who don't have wins that try really hard? Sure, but there are also those who expect carries and get nasty when people refuse.

Human beings are far more complex animals than just black and white answers, and people from both sides of the argument could stand to comprehend that a little better. The primary reason this is so polarized an issue is because some people from the "We need more help in T5" camp seem to refuse to acknowledge that all raiders aren't bad people and that some do help, and because some people on the raider side refuse to acknowledge some people looking for T5 aren't there for hand outs.

More understanding could come from both sides.