Please Consider Helping New Players

[charlemagne]

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We're talking trash mobs here, ten seconds to tell him is like five seconds longer than just killing the thing. I know which trash mobs I can safely just nuke myself before taking any damage. I'm blm so it has to reach me and then get through manawall/ward before even starting to damage me. Telling the tank his mark order is wrong once he's already steamed in is no good. If he's done it wrong and it's safe for me to fix it by nuking the right mob then I will.I'll let the tank know afterwards if the mob needed to die because it'll turn into something nasty if not prioritised ( like the harrier), I don't harass or even criticise, I just say why I did it.

[Odd]

I had a very similar experience, only much worse. Worse because it was Sastasha, the tanks first ever dungeon, in his very first MMO. When I joined in progress he was the only one there, so we had time to chat. He told me that 8 people had already left his party after insulting him and had no idea why. I asked him if he understood his role as tank, and he replied something very comical about never playing tank commander. It was clear to me right then that this guy was as green as they come.

We got a second dps quickly, but waited a while for a healer. In this time I explained to him what a tank was, and how to play the class. Once we got a healer, he did a great job. I told him not to leave right away when it was over, and then I tried to convince him to start over on Balmung. Twenty minutes later he sent me a tell, and so began the start of a great friendship!

[polyhedral]

This game needs a report player and karma system across the data centers where we could access player karma or report with a right click.

I ran 2 AVs today, and both times a player with all 50s leveled left the dungeon due to a lvl 49 nin being in the party. That's the only reason I could think of.

The second time, we pulled in outside help from another's linkshell to tank for us. The first time it was the healer who left instantly after checking out the nin. I could only imagine these same people claiming to like a challenge too...

This community needs some serious help, or a direct slap in the face.

Btw, the same nin that was 49 was trying all damn day to finish AV, and was in both of my queues for AV, just to clear that up. I actually came across the same person in DF twice, and had the same issue both times.

This is a BAD problem we're having currently. I'm doing my part to help the best I can. That's all I can do myself.

It's time people started speaking up and demanding a little dignity. We all pay the same monthly fee ffs.

[Marael]

Sometimes, even when you do try to help the tank, they just don't listen. I got in Haukke on join in progress sometime ago, while leveling my bard. The tank was alone there, and we got soon a healer and another dps.

The healer, the other dps and I; tried to explain what to do, the tank was a gld (I have one, so i know the logistics), and I tried to explain how to do rotations and use flash and similar.

They didn't know what flash was. We did stick with them to the end, but we didn't arrive to beat even the second boss, because we kept wiping and they were not able to hold aggro at all. Even with healer explaining over and over again what to do.

/grammar nazi on
Can I offer you a little grammatical advice that will make you less unintelligible to others who are trying to figure out what you are saying?

You are using the word "they" incorrectly. The word "they" is a PLURAL pronoun, meaning that it refers to two of more persons, places, or things. When speaking about a single person, you use either the pronoun "he" or "she". In the English language, the proper pronoun to use when gender is unknown, or neutral, is "he". (except in a few limited instances, ships for instance are referred to as "she" rather than "he") The word "they" should NEVER be used to refer to a single person. When you say "they" but mean "he" you make yourself needlessly confusing, and it will take people who are reading your post a few seconds to process what you wrote to what you probably mean. It's not incorrect, sexist, or whatever to use a singular pronoun to describe a single person. It's proper grammar. In this case "he" would have been most appropriate.
/grammar nazi off

[Kyoskai]

/grammar nazi on
Can I offer you a little grammatical advice that will make you less unintelligible to others who are trying to figure out what you are saying?

You are using the word "they" incorrectly. The word "they" is a PLURAL pronoun, meaning that it refers to two of more persons, places, or things. When speaking about a single person, you use either the pronoun "he" or "she". In the English language, the proper pronoun to use when gender is unknown, or neutral, is "he". (except in a few limited instances, ships for instance are referred to as "she" rather than "he") The word "they" should NEVER be used to refer to a single person. When you say "they" but mean "he" you make yourself needlessly confusing, and it will take people who are reading your post a few seconds to process what you wrote to what you probably mean. It's not incorrect, sexist, or whatever to use a singular pronoun to describe a single person. It's proper grammar. In this case "he" would have been most appropriate.
/grammar nazi off

But they wanted to use "they" to talk about they. D:
Don't be too hard on they, they might not have a solid grasp on the English language.

[Sapphic]

A couple of people is hardly representative of the whole player base. Obvious trolls are obvious, and you can report them to the GM. But you need more patience and persistence than just go "why bother?"

I have all the patience in the world for someone who takes friendly, well mannered advice and takes it on board. I have zero patience with people who ignore everything and continue to fail at the same thing over and over and over with obviously no intentions of trying to make things better, not just for everyone else, but themselves too.

Lets use coil for an example. Turn 5 in fact. So you explain the fireball and conflags, what after 10-15 tries they dont move when they have conflag? they run away from the boss to get one shotted by the fireball? If they are not willing to listen or learn, then why bother? As will only cause frustration.

There are players willing to learn, there are also players unwilling to learn, and also players who select a language they do not understand for content they do not know. So how do you explain to them then? You can't give advice as they do not understand a word you are trying to say so continue failing at the same thing. I don't know if you speak/understand Japanese, would you enter a JP party in that case to do content you have zero knowledge of?

[Sapphic]

Try to help but if they won't accept help then proceed to carry and co ordinate with whomever is not acting like a sore i don't want to do it player. If that fails then just vote abandon and save them and urself the grief.
Nothing wrong in backing out if its too much to handle.

Think thats the problem with many bad tanks at level 50, they got carried by the rest of the party covering for their mistakes, so continue derping their way through regardless. So they never learn. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. Maybe as a community we should stop covering for bad players and let things play out so bad things happen and they can see the full effects of their "gamestyle".

Let them stick their fingers in the fire to see that it burns XD

[Sapphic]

This game needs a report player and karma system across the data centers where we could access player karma or report with a right click.

I ran 2 AVs today, and both times a player with all 50s leveled left the dungeon due to a lvl 49 nin being in the party. That's the only reason I could think of.

Wouldnt have been the lvl 49 NIN that caused tank to leave, but the fact it was the most hated dungeon in the game, AV. Personally I prefer to not do dungeons for 30 minutes than to run AV. I hate it, any other dungeon I will happily run. And I'm not ashamed to say that if I get AV on low level roulette as either tank, healer or DPS I will bail and do something else for 30 minutes instead, if I get AV a second time, I take that as a sign to not bother running low level roullette that day.

[File2ish]

If you don't want to learn your class why do you expect me to teach it too you? There's so many guides and videos out there that explains everything. Yet people refuse to look at those or just read the skill description.

If people are expected to look at a guide to learn how to play a game there's something wrong. I would love if everyone would look at what the skill description says (it's all the info you really need in my opinion), but sadly many people don't. Some people have the mentality of "Reading is boring and I get nothing out of it, this is a game I don't want to read", and it goes for story, dialogue, and information alike. This is the world we live in, hate to say. I can't force anyone to read anything of that sort, but if they at least read the chatbox and try what is advised (in a non-condescending way of course) it will possibly alleviate headaches for everyone.

When I started tanking on WAR which was way different than PLD (what I started off with) I admit, I was pretty terrible. BUT I read guides, watched videos and then went and grabbed mobs and a few people and practice grabbing aggro and holding it.

Again, it's great you used guides to your advantage, but there are many people who dislike the notion of having to use a guide. When I learned to tank on GLD/PLD I had already gotten BRD and WHM to 50. I had a fairly clear understanding at that point of the tank's role. Needless to say, I wasn't good at first either, but I quickly adjusted without guides. But I'm one of those people who knew what to expect and enjoy learning the different mechanics and nuances. New tanks who have never played another MMO didn't and/or will not look up what a tank is in an MMO, and making that person's experience even worse is just plain idiotic.

Some things will have to be explained whether we like it or not, and the best way to do it is without insulting the player.

[File2ish]

*EDIT* Sorry for responding to off topic, but I had to in this case =p */EDIT*

/grammar nazi on

While you are perfectly correct in the manner of which "they" should be used in the English language, many locales of the language use "they" when referring to one person when speaking to another. For example, I could say "The healer wasn't healing enough, it was like they didn't know what they were doing." While in written form it is easy to spot the grammatical error, you probably wouldn't think twice about it if someone said it in a regular face to face conversation because you understood what they [the person] were [was] referring to. It can become habit, I'm sure.

It's certainly not the proper use as the single person is being referred to as a collective with the pronoun, but the point is still understandable. I understood it at least.