Please Consider Helping New Players

[abzoluut]

I like people who take their time to give advice. In your case it looks like the ACN wasn't good at giving advice. However, I rarely meer these people and a DF quite a lot. I more often come across people who don't want advice. Im on chaos server and it's usually people with "F" or "D" checked as language so I take it it's a language barrier. Auto-translation often won't give me a converstation either.

I also have a character on a JP server. The mentality is so so different.. You can see it on the JP an EN forum as well. If there is a hot thread, page 8 can have 70 likes (showing support) where on the EN forums page 2 doesn't even gets attention. It's a cultural difference whether you want to admit it or not.

[Sylve]

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Recently I've given advice to a number of new tanks (Search Info showed them as having only 1 job at 50, or only DPS Jobs or no 50s at all).
From MRDs who did not know to use the combos, to GLAs not knowing that Flash was actually generating Enmity, If you take the time to explain what they need to do, most of the time they will try it and learn.

Met a GLA in Haukke on my BLM during lowbie DR recently, He couldn't hold Enmity on anything, even if we gave him a decent headstart. We talked him through various different rotations. Eventually, i decided to double check his gear. Turned out he had a lvl 20 weapon. Thus he found out how important it was to keep his weapon up to date. And managed to hold Enmity fairly well employing the rotations and tips we gave him, despite that low level weapon.


It's surprising how open to advice people can be when you are polite and understanding with them.
Getting condescending or just plain mean about it will cause most people to just consider you a prick not worth listening to.

[Kiara1]

This is a huge problem on eu servers because I always get the french people that dont speak english even if I am only searching for english people.

So trying to explain to someone how to do their job when they dont evene understand the language is impossible sometimes, even with autotranslate.

So my advice is. If you dont speak english, tick the english thingy off in duty finder.

It ruins runs for others.

However if they understand what im saying and are trying to learn i am patient and will gladly help them out

[ChibiChan_Hyperion]

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I can't Like! this enough. Every instance I have personally seen where "giving advice" went downhill was because the person giving said "advice" had no clue how to properly interact with another human in any kind of a civilized, respectful manor. Then you have the camp of people that think they are "helping" by being overly blunt, taking a huge risk hoping that the target player will react favorably. There is no need for this risk.

Keep up the good work, OP. Stay professional.

[KaiKatzchen]

I always try and help if needed, but yes I've seen people just be rude before as well. I always say, treat others the way you wish to be treated. If I needed help I would hope someone would be polite and help me, so I am polite to others.

[Titor]

I do not mind new players.
I do, however, mind new players that make 0 effort to be decent at the game when entering into MMO situations. (However, this does not mean I get nasty. Silently annoyed, maybe, but I rarely say anything)
For a tank, it explains what enmity is in your class quests, and all of your tooltips /tell/ you what they do. If a new player cannot take 4 seconds to read what their new skill does, I am not going to spoon-feed them. Why should I waste my time typing out a long explanation when they could not even read a tiny snippet of a tooltip? The active help explains most of this, so there is no excuse of never having the knowledge of what does what.
Especially in a tanking or healing situation, when you kind of have to be a bit more on top of your game. It is my job to help new players on possibly complex tasks, not. "Does damage in a cone in front of you increases enmity" means "will hit all the mobs in front of you and make them stay focused on you."

Also not to mention that for most jobs the /next skill you are supposed to use will light up for you/.

Yes, I was new once. Yes, I read the tooltips. No, I never had anyone be condescending/nasty/annoyed with me, because I made an effort through the tutorials and tooltips that pop up on your screen. Now after quite a few months of gameplay, i feel like I am quite confident in my FFXIV success.

[Estellios]

If a new player cannot take 4 seconds to read what their new skill does, I am not going to spoon-feed them. Why should I waste my time typing out a long explanation when they could not even read a tiny snippet of a tooltip? The active help explains most of this, so there is no excuse of never having the knowledge of what does what.

I don't really see this as a good reason to not help people. There's a lot of nuances to skills that don't really come across in tooltips that people that are new to MMOs won't really understand. For example, you may see that X skill gives enmity but how are you supposed to know from the tooltip that HOLY CRAP RAGE OF HALONE IS CRAZY HATE compared to something like Flash which does its hate up-front without combo'ing?

Almost every time I go into Cutter's Cry I have to teach a BLM that spamming Fire 3 is bad because they look at the skill description and see it has a lot more potency than Fire but don't realize that you can cast a ton more Fires than Fire 3s before having to change to Umbral Ice.

Then there's weird cases like a L50 SMN I know that never used Bane because tanks would never be able to pull hate off of him in dungeons once he got it, because the level you get Bane some players don't have jobs unlocked and PLD in particular does not have Shield Oath yet so their AOE tanking is spotty.

Taking a minute of your time to make a run go much more smoothly is worth it, but obviously only if the person is willing to take the advice. It's much better than grumbling about it the entire run.

[allecs]

I am not going to spoon-feed them.

Exactly.

If you don't want to learn your class (which is how I look at it) why do you expect me to teach it too you? There's so many guides and videos out there that explains everything. Yet people refuse to look at those or just read the skill description.

When I started tanking on WAR which was way different than PLD (what I started off with) I admit, I was pretty terrible. BUT I read guides, watched videos and then went and grabbed mobs and a few people and practice grabbing aggro and holding it.

[File2ish]

If you don't want to learn your class why do you expect me to teach it too you? There's so many guides and videos out there that explains everything. Yet people refuse to look at those or just read the skill description.

If people are expected to look at a guide to learn how to play a game there's something wrong. I would love if everyone would look at what the skill description says (it's all the info you really need in my opinion), but sadly many people don't. Some people have the mentality of "Reading is boring and I get nothing out of it, this is a game I don't want to read", and it goes for story, dialogue, and information alike. This is the world we live in, hate to say. I can't force anyone to read anything of that sort, but if they at least read the chatbox and try what is advised (in a non-condescending way of course) it will possibly alleviate headaches for everyone.

When I started tanking on WAR which was way different than PLD (what I started off with) I admit, I was pretty terrible. BUT I read guides, watched videos and then went and grabbed mobs and a few people and practice grabbing aggro and holding it.

Again, it's great you used guides to your advantage, but there are many people who dislike the notion of having to use a guide. When I learned to tank on GLD/PLD I had already gotten BRD and WHM to 50. I had a fairly clear understanding at that point of the tank's role. Needless to say, I wasn't good at first either, but I quickly adjusted without guides. But I'm one of those people who knew what to expect and enjoy learning the different mechanics and nuances. New tanks who have never played another MMO didn't and/or will not look up what a tank is in an MMO, and making that person's experience even worse is just plain idiotic.

Some things will have to be explained whether we like it or not, and the best way to do it is without insulting the player.

[allecs]

That limit is still here?

I say guides because for some people it takes a bit more than reading the skill description to understand what x does. So reading a guide for better understanding is perfectly fine, it's not to play the game but to actually learn your class. I get it that somethings will have to be explained but basic things are usually rarely explained. You usually have to stop the entire dungeon and break down the entire class for the person. Even if a person doesn't want to read a guide, there's videos. Do want to watch those? That's okay ask a FC mate, don't want to do that? Go out in the world and grab some mobs and notice what skill does what. There's really no reason to ever go in a dungeon with randoms and you don't know the basics of your class, like how overpower works, etc.