Please Consider Helping New Players

[Sapphic]

Try to help but if they won't accept help then proceed to carry and co ordinate with whomever is not acting like a sore i don't want to do it player. If that fails then just vote abandon and save them and urself the grief.
Nothing wrong in backing out if its too much to handle.

Think thats the problem with many bad tanks at level 50, they got carried by the rest of the party covering for their mistakes, so continue derping their way through regardless. So they never learn. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. Maybe as a community we should stop covering for bad players and let things play out so bad things happen and they can see the full effects of their "gamestyle".

Let them stick their fingers in the fire to see that it burns XD

[Odd]

I had a very similar experience, only much worse. Worse because it was Sastasha, the tanks first ever dungeon, in his very first MMO. When I joined in progress he was the only one there, so we had time to chat. He told me that 8 people had already left his party after insulting him and had no idea why. I asked him if he understood his role as tank, and he replied something very comical about never playing tank commander. It was clear to me right then that this guy was as green as they come.

We got a second dps quickly, but waited a while for a healer. In this time I explained to him what a tank was, and how to play the class. Once we got a healer, he did a great job. I told him not to leave right away when it was over, and then I tried to convince him to start over on Balmung. Twenty minutes later he sent me a tell, and so began the start of a great friendship!

[polyhedral]

This game needs a report player and karma system across the data centers where we could access player karma or report with a right click.

I ran 2 AVs today, and both times a player with all 50s leveled left the dungeon due to a lvl 49 nin being in the party. That's the only reason I could think of.

The second time, we pulled in outside help from another's linkshell to tank for us. The first time it was the healer who left instantly after checking out the nin. I could only imagine these same people claiming to like a challenge too...

This community needs some serious help, or a direct slap in the face.

Btw, the same nin that was 49 was trying all damn day to finish AV, and was in both of my queues for AV, just to clear that up. I actually came across the same person in DF twice, and had the same issue both times.

This is a BAD problem we're having currently. I'm doing my part to help the best I can. That's all I can do myself.

It's time people started speaking up and demanding a little dignity. We all pay the same monthly fee ffs.

[Sapphic]

This game needs a report player and karma system across the data centers where we could access player karma or report with a right click.

I ran 2 AVs today, and both times a player with all 50s leveled left the dungeon due to a lvl 49 nin being in the party. That's the only reason I could think of.

Wouldnt have been the lvl 49 NIN that caused tank to leave, but the fact it was the most hated dungeon in the game, AV. Personally I prefer to not do dungeons for 30 minutes than to run AV. I hate it, any other dungeon I will happily run. And I'm not ashamed to say that if I get AV on low level roulette as either tank, healer or DPS I will bail and do something else for 30 minutes instead, if I get AV a second time, I take that as a sign to not bother running low level roullette that day.

[Moerser]

One thing i do about ppl tryin to nuke their balls off in lower dungeons.
If they do not stop pullin before the tank, and continue to NOT use the chat system.
I just stop healin them.

Ud be surprised, it works wonders.

Greetz,
Mörser out

[CUTS3R]

One thing i do about ppl tryin to nuke their balls off in lower dungeons.
If they do not stop pullin before the tank, and continue to NOT use the chat system.
I just stop healin them.

I do the same since Beta 3 !

Some of the DPS dont learn from it tho. Ive encountered few of them during Beta stages and were already doing that kind of stupid stuff, and are still doing it almost 2 years later...
Its almost like they dont want to learn from it even tho it literally "kills them".

[Fyrebrand]

So, a few people are sharing anecdotes about offering advice and getting back antagonistic retorts or total unresponsiveness. Maybe you did everything right, I don't know, but keep in mind that the user on the other end may not perceive your comments as you intended them. They don't know who you are, they didn't ask for your opinion of their strategy, and they don't know if you have any idea what you're talking about. Be clear about your intentions, and try not to sound insulting or condescending, even if what you're saying sounds incredibly neutral or tame in your head. You never know how they'll take it. If they respond with hostility to simple advice, you might just write them off as jerks, or maybe they misunderstood your intent.

I'm reminded of this cringe-worthy thread, where the OP actually thought they were giving friendly, helpful advice and but for whatever reason could not see how flagrantly rude they were being. Not saying anyone here was as bad as that, but just pointing out that sometimes what we mean to say is not the same as what others read.


On another note...

Being able to hide behind the intrawebz and say or do what ever you want with no repercussions isn't a good thing and I hope some day they figure out how to make it less easy.

If you like censorship so much, I hear there is this nice place called North Korea. They like to have more people like you there.

Taking responsibility for your words/actions, and facing the repercussions without the guise of anonymity, is not censorship. Nor is it North Korea. "Freedom of Speech" does not mean freedom from criticism or consequences. But for that matter, you actually don't have any protected freedom of speech in this game. Square Enix is the god of the world of FFXIV, and they will come down on you if you don't follow their rules. It's expected that you treat other players with respect -- in fact, you agreed to do so in the Terms of Service. Other players can report you for abusive behaviour, and if SE investigates it and finds in their favour, you're out. I'm not sure what sort of point you were trying to make by comparing this situation to a nightmare dictatorship, but you sound pretty silly.

[File2ish]

I'm reminded of this cringe-worthy thread, where the OP actually thought they were giving friendly, helpful advice and but for whatever reason could not see how flagrantly rude they were being. Not saying anyone here was as bad as that, but just pointing out that sometimes what we mean to say is not the same as what others read.

Yeah, this is exactly why I added "And if you do offer advice, do it in a non-condescending manner. If you say something in a condescending or scathing way you still make the person feel like they're stupid or bad." to my OP. When I was learning the basics of tanking I did take advice, but the few who offered advice did it in such a way that I wanted to punch their face through my screen. Some people just don't empathize with others very well.

[NyarukoW]

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Taking responsibility for your words/actions, and facing the repercussions without the guise of anonymity, is not censorship. .. I'm not sure what sort of point you were trying to make by comparing this situation to a nightmare dictatorship, but you sound pretty silly.

If anything the person that posted it comparing everyone to "idiots" in an "idiocracy" should be help responsible. And on top of that, they want to everyone to shut up which is censorship. If you can't see that, then there is not much to discuss. SE is the ultimate arbiter of these forums, but people should not get away with insulting the whole forum and then some, and then try to get away with denying freedom of speech to everyone else.

See original post:

... Calling people names and telling everyone to shut up ...

[Violyre]

I went off on a bad tank once, and only because he locked the two DPS out of the fight by running in while they were watching the CS, and said they should've been ready. Both of the DPS were ACNs and both had to use their taking Carby to keep me, as the WHM, alive throughout the dungeon because he could only hold one mob. I seem to recall him being a PLD. Unfortunatly, I had no tanking experience so I couldn't make suggestions, but his churlish attitude was most of what set me off.

Now that I do have the experience of all three types, I can try to give suggestions to people. If they take it or not is on them. I've liked being tank in duties lately just so I can ask if people know how to do the fight, generally the ones with a mechanic, because I watch them watching the CS.

Which doesn't help when your DPS decides you're not starting fast enough.

I do love helping people that want to learn though, and I don't intend to change that.