Please Consider Helping New Players

[Sho86]

I've done this many times. -snip-

This is not an excuse. If a certain mob is -really- that much more important to hit out of the tanks order, then take the 10 seconds to say so, so the rest of the run will be smoother. Just blindly hitting a mob out of order creates problems. If the tank can't take the criticism (assuming you took the time to do so without borderline harassment), then let the tank figure it out by dying faster and letting the heals complain. All your doing is putting undue stress on the tank trying to keep 1 up while doing the same for whatever mob your going spaz on, and also eventually putting more strain on the heals which could possibly even be doing dps themselves if extra healing wasn't needed.

The only part I agree with this post, somewhat, is the bit on BLMs. Typically tanks should know yes, but again if the don't, say something.

[charlemagne]

This is ..snip

We're talking trash mobs here, ten seconds to tell him is like five seconds longer than just killing the thing. I know which trash mobs I can safely just nuke myself before taking any damage. I'm blm so it has to reach me and then get through manawall/ward before even starting to damage me. Telling the tank his mark order is wrong once he's already steamed in is no good. If he's done it wrong and it's safe for me to fix it by nuking the right mob then I will.I'll let the tank know afterwards if the mob needed to die because it'll turn into something nasty if not prioritised ( like the harrier), I don't harass or even criticise, I just say why I did it.

[Kyoskai]

Not sure how many more of these threads I can take before I go all werewolf and become a moonlighting asshole.

[Shneibel]

the thing is, now a day you don't know if the player is new or troll anymore. Recently I meet a tank in snowcloak (who have only 1 job lvl 50 is WAR) and he cant tank, he rush for a AOE pull (w/o give the healer a warning or ask if it is ok for him to do it) and die (no CD was use and he tank....8 mobs ?) and say the pt don't know how to raid, the whole 3 boss fight, all he do is 1-2-3 combo and a few overpower, CD pop poorly and no Storm Eyes or w/e other combo than the 1-2-3 standard hate control single mob. His gear is decent ilvl 110 wep and soldiery gear. Until the end, I don't know if he is a troller or a new player because the gear he has are easy to obtain now a day w/o a drop of sweat and because he some how know what he is doing but at some point he doesn't.

@OP : offer advice is fine as long as they have thick skin & don't bite back. The above story is one case, the other case was in WP. I DFR and meet a newly SCH (you can see he has weak gear) so I say, let's take it slow because the healer gear is not suit for rush, and the tank agree and right after the tank agree, the healer left...

[Leigaon]

It doesn't help to be mean, people just react badly about it. At the same time it's very hard to talk to someone who won't listen or when you ask if they're new and they say nothing. Maybe they don't have a keyboard..rather than saying if $10 is out of their budget then they shouldn't be playing this game..I also ask just do some emote for me. Then they go in and screw up or you let them know "If you use butchers block alone it won't help you need to use the first two combos for it to activate" or refuses to flash.

[HakuroDK]

I agree with this topic so very much! I tank. I am a very good tank. If someone is not performing to the best they can be, I will offer advice as best I can and with as much tactfulness and humility as possible. Because giving advice like an asshole (a la "You really suck as <insert class here> because you're not using <insert action here> correctly. You're supposed to do it like <insert correct method here> scrub.") is counterproductive and only ends up causing the advice receiver to go on the defensive against you rather than the enemies they're supposed to be fighting. It's not being "direct" or "honest". Anyone can do both of those things without sounding like an elitist dick talking down to an inferior noob.

Hell, before I realized that "Green Leaf" players could be alts of other people, I was handing out random inventory items to any green leaf player I saw at random as a gesture of welcoming them to the game. I don't do it anymore because green leaf players could potentially be anyone if they create an alt (which bugs me quite a bit), but if I know a player is brand new to the game, I will go the extra mile with them to help them so they have a good experience with the game.

I help because helping other people makes me feel good. Unfortunately, being a dick usually comes far easier to a lot of people than being nice, so that's how many people act by default.

[Sapphic]

I help because helping other people makes me feel good.

I agree 100% it's great seeing things fall into place with a party with just a few helpful words after starting out badly.

But, as has been brought up numerous times, what about those who derp, you give them advice, I usually start with something like, "A good tip I was given was to do this n this and it helped me a lot when I was learning.". Yet still get totally ignored, laughed at or have expletives thrown back at you. Then they continue to derp. Get a couple of people like that in a row and you can easily start to think why bother?

[RedAntares]

the thing is, now a day you don't know if the player is new or troll anymore.

^This.

I had a tank a few months ago in Sastasha while I was lvling my puglist that kept moving around the mobs while tanking every time, I asked him if he could stop moving around mobs because I couldn't do my combos and messed my DPS, he didn't even replied to me he just kept doing the same thing over and over the enitre dungeon, after the second boss fight I asked him again and was ignored again, I stopped caring after that but it was annoying that I couldn't do my combos as a puglist. :/

[Ignnis]

Im all for explaining dungeon mechanics and job mechanics if I see people struggling but what happens most of the time (sadly) is I'm either flat out ignored or insulted/sworn at. It really rubs me the wrong way, I try as best as I can to not be condescending or commanding by adding '' or '^^' at the end or asking if they wanted to tips at their job. If I notice they don't speak english Ill sit there for ages finding basic skills and combos using the auto translate with emotes at the end (to try and show that I'm not just commanding them to use it) but alas, usually ignored.

[Roxinova]

Im all for explaining dungeon mechanics and job mechanics if I see people struggling but what happens most of the time (sadly) is I'm either flat out ignored or insulted/sworn at. It really rubs me the wrong way, I try as best as I can to not be condescending or commanding by adding '' or '^^' at the end or asking if they wanted to tips at their job. If I notice they don't speak english Ill sit there for ages finding basic skills and combos using the auto translate with emotes at the end (to try and show that I'm not just commanding them to use it) but alas, usually ignored.

Here's something I never understood about the player-base on this game: Why don't you ask if they'd like advice first before giving it? It can come across as very pretentious and rude to flat out give unsolicited advice, and adding emotes to the end of it doesn't magically make it better.

Sometimes I'm just having a bad day and let one person die in a dungeon. That doesn't mean I need to be lectured or given advice on how to play my class. I try not to let my bad day get to me, or get snippy with said person offering advice, because that's not right either, but sometimes, advice is just not needed or wanted and I should be able to respectfully decline it. I don't think people ever take the time to consider that. MMOs have become less about communication and more about how to be the very best, and stepping on toes and egos in the process. As someone who has been playing them for 13+ yrs, this change is starting to irk me. People makes mistakes sometimes, that does not mean they are bad or need to be taught things.