Bard needs some love too.

[Kyri]

I would consider my main job to be BLM but honestly if im forced to move much my bard that is lower in ilv actually is usually always around the top of the dps in our groups and beats my blm alot if Im forced to move. If Bard got any buffs I feel it would be quite over powered to be honest. I don't think me and another bard should be tied for top dps spots on almost all raids(or so im told) over other jobs like drg. With that being said though bard would be my secondary job, I do not agree with it needs any improvement at this time.

I don't want to be rude and i have no idea of what other jobs you have in your static but if your Bard is top or around top the other dps must be bad.
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Though this could be a case for some I think what makes it so high is actually that bard has literally no handicap outside paeon and ballad. No movement hindrance no side/frontal/behind requisites and a ranged auto attack is why this job can shine so easily to some of the other jobs. Also though I don't want to sound too rude perhaps the problem your having with bard is the very thing you quoted about the other dps being bad. if your always last as a bard, I think your other dps must be amazing or your not fully utilizing your skillset yourself.

On a further note I do play all jobs but ninja right now and the only job i feel that could use a buff is Dragoon. Also to the Op as stated earlier im not trying to be rude but its very hard for you to make your defense in the discussion valid when your constantly berating and calling everyone who disagrees trolls. You would do better for your cause by bringing meaningful reasons to why you feel this is needed and ways that could fix it. As for your current posts in this subject( I took the time to look at each post page from everyone you are indeed coming off slightly trollish and im afraid it will not help your case.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

1. Good Healers don't need Ballad

Ok. Thanks for letting us know.

Ah, FYI - good bards don't need buffs to be top DPS.

You're welcome.

[DoctorPepper]

Why would that matter though?

Everything between the highest DPS (MNK) and lowest DPS (BRD) is just fluff as far as content balance is concerned. (i.e. Bosses will be weak enough for parties with bards to kill properly, but not weak enough for monk parties to cheese.)

Using that logic, why does it matter that DRG isn't up to par with MNK or NIN?

Why does it matter that BLM wasn't up to par with SMN/DRG before their buff?

Why does it matter that PLD flash didn't give as much enmity as overpower prior to their buff?

The only answer I can give you is balance. BRD was 100-150 dps lower than the other DPS classes pre-2.4 which is already a massive gap (approximately 25% lower dps) and that gap is not getting any smaller I assure you. I can't give you up to date data at this point since people are not geared up in the new stuff yet.

People seem to think that the request is for BRD to become the highest dps in the game but the fact is, most bards are fine with being the lowest dps job. They are not fine with being the lowest by 25% or higher which is the case at the moment.

[Exstal]

The only answer I can give you is balance. BRD was 100-150 dps lower than the other DPS classes pre-2.4 which is already a massive gap (approximately 25% lower dps) and that gap is not getting any smaller I assure you. I can't give you up to date data at this point since people are not geared up in the new stuff yet.

In what alternate reality is this true?

[DoctorPepper]

In what alternate reality is this true?

The reality where other dps in the raid group are equally geared and are playing their jobs properly, what do you want me to say? I've seen enough parse data to call that the average. Feel free to post some opposing data if you have any but I'm not going to go digging for parses just to prove you wrong so suit yourself. I'm open to new data but right now I'm calling it based on my own observations so go ahead and enlighten me.

[CGMidlander]

Using that logic, why does it matter that DRG isn't up to par with MNK or NIN?

Why does it matter that BLM wasn't up to par with SMN/DRG before their buff?

Why does it matter that PLD flash didn't give as much enmity as overpower prior to their buff?

The only answer I can give you is balance. BRD was 100-150 dps lower than the other DPS classes pre-2.4 which is already a massive gap (approximately 25% lower dps) and that gap is not getting any smaller I assure you. I can't give you up to date data at this point since people are not geared up in the new stuff yet.

People seem to think that the request is for BRD to become the highest dps in the game but the fact is, most bards are fine with being the lowest dps job. They are not fine with being the lowest by 25% or higher which is the case at the moment.

DRG has lesser damage and an absence of utility.
BRD does not lack utility, and has a place in pretty much any party as a result.

BLM's damage buff was not strictly necessary, but helped shore up BLM's damage in movement-heavy scenarios. (Which BRDs are not affected by, btw) It also came with a change to Apoctastasis, making it actually useful.

[RiceisNice]

,,,

While I'd agree that bard is a bit behind compared to other dps classes, I can attest the difference isn't that huge. I've never seen my damage output lag that far behind in any encounter that wasn't T8, less every single party I've been in had shmucks.

[Ooshima]

1. Good Healers don't need Ballad
2. On single target Foe is worse damage buff than TA - 10% damage up for 30% uptime for mages only VS 10% damage up for 16.7% uptime for everyone in party
3. Goad is just good enough to prevent 1 melee from beeing TP staved, so if you have only MNK/DRG melee than you don't need a BRD.

Ok. Thanks for letting us know.

Ah, FYI - good bards don't need buffs to be top DPS.

You're welcome.

HAHAHA

Staisy Chan (Felessan) you again, that dude in the DPS subforums who says that BRD can't exceed 400DPS on dummy without IL115 weapon

Go tell all the top teams around the worlds and your server that their healers doesn't need Ballad during progression, and if they need, they suck. They would probably give you the big middle finger.

[cookiecutter]

I'm surprised this thread keeps getting dredged up. The top progression fc beat the dps check of t13 with a bard in their party. This only speaks that bards damage is not low enough to outweigh their utility benefits. The only two classes that have legitimate grips right now are dragoons (who are getting buffed) and summoners.

[Shadowedge]

This thread's existence is ridiculous. If all bards played bard correctly (i.e. using songs when appropriate, instead of worrying strictly about their sole dps compared to that of the party's as a whole), then you'd see how important bard actually is. Unfortunately, everyone needs to be the top damage dealer themselves, and the rest of the group suffers for it. Bard does not need fixing or any kind of buff. In fact, its utility can increase party-wide damage way more than a Ninja's Trick Attack can. I'd take a Bard over any single DPS job, as long as the player is playing it right.