Please Consider Helping New Players

[HakuroDK]

I agree with this topic so very much! I tank. I am a very good tank. If someone is not performing to the best they can be, I will offer advice as best I can and with as much tactfulness and humility as possible. Because giving advice like an asshole (a la "You really suck as <insert class here> because you're not using <insert action here> correctly. You're supposed to do it like <insert correct method here> scrub.") is counterproductive and only ends up causing the advice receiver to go on the defensive against you rather than the enemies they're supposed to be fighting. It's not being "direct" or "honest". Anyone can do both of those things without sounding like an elitist dick talking down to an inferior noob.

Hell, before I realized that "Green Leaf" players could be alts of other people, I was handing out random inventory items to any green leaf player I saw at random as a gesture of welcoming them to the game. I don't do it anymore because green leaf players could potentially be anyone if they create an alt (which bugs me quite a bit), but if I know a player is brand new to the game, I will go the extra mile with them to help them so they have a good experience with the game.

I help because helping other people makes me feel good. Unfortunately, being a dick usually comes far easier to a lot of people than being nice, so that's how many people act by default.

[Stihllodeing]

Sorry but those QQ ur spewing out only happened in NA servers not JP servers

^This was stated in regards to post #6. It's factually wrong in a literal sense. "Jerkdom" is not an epidemic based on demographics, it's based on species I believe.

Just wanted to point that out. Post #6 was pretty good advice for anyone imo.

[KaiKatzchen]

I always try and help if needed, but yes I've seen people just be rude before as well. I always say, treat others the way you wish to be treated. If I needed help I would hope someone would be polite and help me, so I am polite to others.

[ManweSulimo]

Some players don't listen. Some players are just flat out bad. Some will always be bad no matter what you do, or how good your intentions are.

...and that will never be an excuse for treating somebody like a lesser human being. If any of you call others stupid, retarded, or something similar for not being up to your standards in a video game - I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself. You might not be a problem when it comes to getting through content, but you have no integrity and make the world a worse place.

That's the same shit people pull in high school. Grow up, people.

This is the best post I have seen since I came to these forums ~6 months ago

[Titor]

I do not mind new players.
I do, however, mind new players that make 0 effort to be decent at the game when entering into MMO situations. (However, this does not mean I get nasty. Silently annoyed, maybe, but I rarely say anything)
For a tank, it explains what enmity is in your class quests, and all of your tooltips /tell/ you what they do. If a new player cannot take 4 seconds to read what their new skill does, I am not going to spoon-feed them. Why should I waste my time typing out a long explanation when they could not even read a tiny snippet of a tooltip? The active help explains most of this, so there is no excuse of never having the knowledge of what does what.
Especially in a tanking or healing situation, when you kind of have to be a bit more on top of your game. It is my job to help new players on possibly complex tasks, not. "Does damage in a cone in front of you increases enmity" means "will hit all the mobs in front of you and make them stay focused on you."

Also not to mention that for most jobs the /next skill you are supposed to use will light up for you/.

Yes, I was new once. Yes, I read the tooltips. No, I never had anyone be condescending/nasty/annoyed with me, because I made an effort through the tutorials and tooltips that pop up on your screen. Now after quite a few months of gameplay, i feel like I am quite confident in my FFXIV success.

[Derceto]

Always try to advise new players as best I can (if I can) myself. Still curious how you get to Haukke without knowing to use overpower, etc. though. Some people just burn through things without paying the slightest attention.

So this warrior didn't know much about abilities? Alright. Was he also under the impression that he was responsible to hold 1 mob and the rest of the pt took the rest? I mean..... was he 'that' clueless still at Haukke level? If so, then it's more than likely his own fault for simply not giving the slightest bit of a care in doing things properly along his way, or in the group he was in.

Nice that you made a positive difference however. Hopefully he'll pay closer attention in his future jobs.

[RedAntares]

the thing is, now a day you don't know if the player is new or troll anymore.

^This.

I had a tank a few months ago in Sastasha while I was lvling my puglist that kept moving around the mobs while tanking every time, I asked him if he could stop moving around mobs because I couldn't do my combos and messed my DPS, he didn't even replied to me he just kept doing the same thing over and over the enitre dungeon, after the second boss fight I asked him again and was ignored again, I stopped caring after that but it was annoying that I couldn't do my combos as a puglist. :/

[Ghishlain]

Some players don't listen. Some players are just flat out bad. Some will always be bad no matter what you do, or how good your intentions are.

...and that will never be an excuse for treating somebody like a lesser human being. If any of you call others stupid, retarded, or something similar for not being up to your standards in a video game - I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself. You might not be a problem when it comes to getting through content, but you have no integrity and make the world a worse place.

That's the same shit people pull in high school. Grow up, people.

Post of the year and bumping for exposure~ Seriously.

[charlemagne]

Let's say we mark targets in attack order. Why are you attacking 3 and I'm on 1.

I've done this many times. I've done it because a tank marking a target isn't always right. I've had tanks mark sleepable targets which can be left till last, reducing the amount of dmg/gear wear he has to take. I've had tanks mark the avis rather than the harrier in snowcloak etc. I've had tanks mark one of a large group of mobs when his dps are both blms, roles which excel at aoe over single target damage. As much as the rest of the team need to have respect for the tank, there are a hell of a lot of tanks out there that don't trust their dps to know their own roles or trust dps to know what to focus on or even when its safe to push the dps harder and take hate.

[Fyrebrand]

I think players who are hostile, rude, or impatient in this game need to ask themselves a couple serious questions:

Why do I treat random strangers on the internet any differently than I would treat random strangers in real life?

Why do I treat an unskilled player in DF any differently than I would treat an unskilled player in my FC?

Rude/inconsiderate players try to make up excuses for their behaviour after the fact, but is always boils down to hypocrisy, selfishness, cowardice, immaturity, and the privilege of anonymity.