When is it OK to say, "It's Not OK"

[Schizm]

Hey guys, I would just like to chime in here.

Please everyone, just take a step back for a second and allow me to put my two cents about my original post.

My original post was more about when would it be an acceptable situation to tell another player that maybe this isn't or they aren't going to succeed in the event, possibly to have that someone bow out rather than get kicked. The way I see it, telling someone anything similar to my prior comment would discourage anyone from feeling properly treated in the game, which would cause some players to regress or maybe quit the game.

The bashing that occurs is crazy enough that if I was on the other end taking the bashing I would be really upset. There has been players that have raged so bad from taking abuse that they quit the game to only come back a few days later. That's pretty extreme but understandable when someone gets their feelings hurt.

[Schizm]

Situations like this happen often lately and it's not only T5, I have witness T1 where people have taken an incredible amount of verbal abuse. Granted, those jobs were usually Tanks and Healers, but I really don't want someone to feel like they failed, but maybe the game didn't instruct a player properly to play their jobs. I know there's endless forums and videos that people can use as resources, but really, we all should be more active in helping people rather than calling them names.

[Sadonix]

-snips-

You haven't been following the discussion,have you ? I think you might want to go back a few page to get an idea what is being actually discussed,and you might know what that bit is about "denying people's progress",unless you mean to just jump in and leave smart remarks which in that case by all means do continue uninterrupted.

Time is a limited resource. There's no feasible way for anyone to personally help every person they come across that might need help.
Therefore, personal help is usually limited to only friends, FC members, and linkshells.

You're right,time is precious,everyone has their own things to do etc etc. Um,okay,why are you repeating this fact again ?

Just because a certain type of player screams the loudest and tends to leave a more lasting impression, doesn't necessarily mean they are the majority.

No,but repeated encounter with such experiences can make one imply they are the majority


Seems like I'm being visited by the usual vocal members of one aforementioned specific camp on the forum. So,as much fun as it can be attracting the ire of 1337,I'm going to leave this thread out at that before it turns into something undesirable like the earlier threads of this nature.

-Peace out-

[Vespar]

Hey guys, I would just like to chime in here.

Please everyone, just take a step back for a second and allow me to put my two cents about my original post.

My original post was more about when would it be an acceptable situation to tell another player that maybe this isn't or they aren't going to succeed in the event, possibly to have that someone bow out rather than get kicked. The way I see it, telling someone anything similar to my prior comment would discourage anyone from feeling properly treated in the game, which would cause some players to regress or maybe quit the game.

The bashing that occurs is crazy enough that if I was on the other end taking the bashing I would be really upset. There has been players that have raged so bad from taking abuse that they quit the game to only come back a few days later. That's pretty extreme but understandable when someone gets their feelings hurt.

I hear your point, but There's a flip side to this that just comes with human nature. Most people don't like hearing that they aren't up to snuff that's true, but a good chunk of those people, even if told in the nicest way possible, will feel hurt by such comments and after enough times of failing at a run or being told they aren't up to snuff (whether its that players' fault or not) that person will eventually just lie down beaten and give up.

Since experiencing players negativity (even if its not directly at me) I have come to the point where I will just wait until the content to be become easy enough to beat by the majority purely because I can't stand the negativity. I am not bad at my job by any means, and that sucks because I know I'm not a bad player, and I can win many fights with a little practice. It just comes down to at the end of the day, how much negativity or abuse I can handle from others. And Im sorry to say Ive long since hit my limit for it.
Coil could be the coolest story on the planet, but until the negativity on inexperienced players dies down I wont even try to finish turns 6-13.

[CGMidlander]

You're right,time is precious,everyone has their own things to do etc etc. Um,okay,why are you repeating this fact again ?

Because you were questioning the value of guides.

Some people take pride in guiding others since it shows that they have really done the job and get past the ordeal,but it's one thing to give a lettered guide and another to jump down in trying to achieve a clear with other people. A lettered guide wouldn't even matter if no one want you to take part in actual run.

Earlier in the thread, you made this statement:

Let's be honest,the elite people at the top of the mountain don't want too many people climbing up to stand at the same place as they are,since that would make them feel their achievement become somewhat less glorified. Meanwhile there are new people struggling to climb up the same mountain but started out too late and keep getting rejected by most of their forerunners for the aforementioned reason.

Which, I believe, is a warped view of how things are.

There's no time to personally help everyone out there who needs help. Therefore, personal help is generally only given to friends and FC/LS members.

To help those who cannot be helped personally, experienced players write up guides and make guide videos.

So tell me again how these "mountain climbers" don't want to help others?

[Schizm]

The comment about waiting til the content becomes easy enough to beat happened to me in FFXI. It happened so early that the rest of my time (years of it) was soloing as BLM and other jobs but my subjob was always aimed to healing myself in fights. When I played this way, one death set me back 3 hours of work or maybe my whole night of playing. I ended up leaving the server, lost my linkshell and lost some friends because of this.

Maybe SE should make the class guilds aim at allowing people to play content and be graded or taught whatt to do, and build solid players where they played scenarios out and learned from them.

Sorry to hear that this is happening to you, as well as other players, it's the thought that I was sadly the one that open the gates of hell that everyone else followed and left someone hurt a few days ago, that I even had to say, this is wrong. So wrong that I went back to crafting and realy haven't played coils in the last few days.

[Ophie-Mio]

The comment about waiting til the content becomes easy enough to beat happened to me in FFXI. It happened so early that the rest of my time (years of it) was soloing as BLM and other jobs but my subjob was always aimed to healing myself in fights. When I played this way, one death set me back 3 hours of work or maybe my whole night of playing. I ended up leaving the server, lost my linkshell and lost some friends because of this.

Maybe SE should make the class guilds aim at allowing people to play content and be graded or taught whatt to do, and build solid players where they played scenarios out and learned from them.

So wrong that I went back to crafting and realy haven't played coils in the last few days.

All this is sad but only because it's so excessive. I've had someone tell me that he couldn't run with me and it didn't make me stop everything the way you did (It's not the same game but the mentality remains). There is a point where your own pride needs to come into play and you need to stand up for yourself. Even if that's walking away from the party and doing better for yourself.

I left that party remarking with the actual reason why we wiped so much and went back to raiding and doing what I do, only better and more disciplined. It's a game, yes, but I want to play it well.

The game ITSELF and leveling itself is designed to teach you what to do. There are so many guides out there showing different points of view.

If you cannot succeed in this game it is because you as the player have chosen not to.

[Schizm]

I meant I wasn't the one taking the lashing, I was the one that said we need to abandon the coil due to it's going to fail and it did, miserably. Over and over and a few "WTF" came out against someone else in the party.

I was trying to get seals that it blinded me to the fact that I was so much of an ass toward someone undergeared causing the coil to wipe.

What caused me to stop doing coils and playing the game as much is simply, I was wrong and I wronged someone else. When I started making comments, other people in the party started on the person and before I can say it's not that serious, all hell broke loose and people were leaving. Deep down, I know the person had to feel bad.

There's nothing I can do to take back what happened, the only thing I can do now is move on and either try to help someone new to content or not do it at all.

[Ophie-Mio]

Once again, this is the extreme point of view. So you were mean to someone? Who cares? They ranted about you to their friends or FC mates and called you a douchebag and then called it a night. This is a game and people treat others treating them like dirt in this game like someone doing the same on 4chan and reddit. It's anonymous so why let someone else bother you for too long? They get over it.

[Schizm]

Sadly, it doesn't end there. I had players I played with rage quit the game and had to resign up due to situatioins like this. Our LS has someone that not only blew up in the LS chat but it carried over into forums.

I remember early after beta people were doing speed runs, if they saw someone undergeared they would leave immediately. There's been alot of runs in dungeons where I joined one and it's two people standing around saying everyone left. I try to make the best of things but even those tend to fail.

Are we suppose to keep trying an event where before the run started, you know it was going to be bad. Where other players whether unexperienced or undergear is going to make everyone else work harder when just joining another party could make it fun and exciting. If I had to weigh out both options, the unexperienced players are probably going to miss out on some content.

The "cyber bullying" aspect does play a factor that people would take things personal, more than others.