The Monk Temple Reborn

[Bladedo]

Using touch of death after your opener makes it outscale the other after 4 ticks
Touch of death is a 25 potency elementless DoT that lasts for 30 seconds giving it between 9-10 ticks. DoT Damage is not modified by Dragon kick.

Note that damage buffs are multiplicative.

Applying ToD before having your buffs(assuming just fists of fire) up would give it a potency of 21 and a DoT potency of 26.25.

Applying ToD after the opener will give it a potency of 35.49 and a DoT potency of 40.33

Applying Touch of death at the start will give about 3 ticks meaning you will get a total of 21+26.25*3 = 99.75 potency before the other ToD


Before opener = 99.75>126>152.25>178.5>204.75>231>257.25

After opener = 35.49>75.82>116.15>156.48>196.81>237.14>277.47

[Bladedo]

damn you 1000 character limit

To follow up on my other post the ToD applied after the opener would have an extra 30% chance to crit throughout the whole duration of the ToD. Applying touch of death again in a situation where you would use ToD before your opener, the reapplied ToD would miss out on Blood for blood and Internal release. meanwhile the ToD applied after the opener still has 3 more ticks to go with Blood for blood and internal release.

[Ehayte]

Before opener = 103.75>130>156.25>182.5>208.75>235>261.25

After opener = 35.49>75.82>116.15>156.48>196.81>237.14>277.47

You can edit your posts to go past 1000 chars.

Also, you are saying that you get a 16.22 potency increase from doing this? Why not use ToD first and let it tick all the way through for 266 potency while using your other attacks while it is ticking away? 16 potency is not worth not having ToD ticking while you are building GL3, BFB, IR, DK, TwSn.

In my opinion.

[Morzy]

You just get used to it. It becomes second nature, just like the rotation itself. I found it frustrating while leveling, because every time I got a new rotation skill, I had to retrain myself when I'd just started getting used to it. But after a while at 50, it's just part of the rhythm. I enjoy it now. Other classes feel a bit slow and static (I'm working on BRD as my second DPS class now because at least if my fingers get bored I can randomly run around a bit).

Lol. Randomly run around a bit, I like that. Probably might be good for me cause every other class seems lazy to monk. Hell I run around on my WHM just cause it's good to be mobile and dodge O_o.

[Bladedo]

You can edit your posts to go past 1000 chars.

Also, you are saying that you get a 16.22 potency increase from doing this? Why not use ToD first and let it tick all the way through for 266 potency while using your other attacks while it is ticking away? 16 potency is not worth not having ToD ticking while you are building GL3, BFB, IR, DK, TwSn.

In my opinion.

I suggest you reread my post.
By using ToD after your opener DM>SP>SP>DK>TS you get to apply a ToD fully buffed. First off this will result in more damage. Secondly you get to build GL3 faster. On top of this I've shown the opener is not perfect by showing how you can achieve higher damage in the same timeframe. On top of this your ToD will do a total 398.8 potency instead of 261.25 potency. Wether you think it's worth increasing your damage or not is up to you but your reasoning for it being "Not worth it" doesn't make sense.

[whiskeybravo]

I suggest you reread my post.
By using ToD after your opener DM>SP>SP>DK>TS you get to apply a ToD fully buffed. First off this will result in more damage. Secondly you get to build GL3 faster. On top of this I've shown the opener is not perfect by showing how you can achieve higher damage in the same timeframe. On top of this your ToD will do a total 398.8 potency instead of 261.25 potency. Wether you think it's worth increasing your damage or not is up to you but your reasoning for it being "Not worth it" doesn't make sense.

Nanashi was referring to the duration and how to get 5 moves under PB, no analysis of potency, etc. I think you read too much into him calling it "perfect". I would argue that your suggested rotation is less damage, since ToD is not ticking behind your building up. No math needed, one has a dot ticking, the other doesn't. And you can still clip ToD to get damage boost from B4B before it falls off, so.. Moot point.

[Cynric]

Nanashi was referring to the duration and how to get 5 moves under PB, no analysis of potency, etc. I think you read too much into him calling it "perfect". I would argue that your suggested rotation is less damage, since ToD is not ticking behind your building up. No math needed, one has a dot ticking, the other doesn't. And you can still clip ToD to get damage boost from B4B before it falls off, so.. Moot point.

This pretty much, Not starting with ToD and just clipping it is just wasting potency you could have had while building GL3 and it only costs 1 extra GCD for potency you would just ignore by not doing it and clipping it with full buffs.

[whiskeybravo]

By using ToD after your opener DM>SP>SP>DK>TS you get to apply a ToD fully buffed.

Just for good measure I did some calcs (fully "buffed" ToD 417 potency?) .. Not exactly the same numbers you got but here's what I found:

#1 I'm not entirely sure you can consistently squeeze ToD in after Twin/PB-end and still have enough time to BS>True>Demo to keep GL3.. I don't normally do this so I'm just not sure.

If #1 is true, and you can squeeze in ToD and retain GL3 then it's a bit of a buff, only losing approx 95 potency from the first 5 GCDs. Net bonus of about 52 potency overall.

If #1 is false, and you can not consistently squeeze ToD in and risk losing GL3, you would have to delay ToD until the next BS>True>Demo which results in a loss of approx 170 potency (about 17 sec into rotation with no ToD).. Even though it's 417 potency, you are losing 170 from the first bit of no ToD, which is a net loss of about 23 potency overall

[Sleigh]

Just for good measure I did some calcs (fully "buffed" ToD 417 potency?) .. Not exactly the same numbers you got but here's what I found:

#1 I'm not entirely sure you can consistently squeeze ToD in after Twin/PB-end and still have enough time to BS>True>Demo to keep GL3.. I don't normally do this so I'm just not sure.

If #1 is true, and you can squeeze in ToD and retain GL3 then it's a bit of a buff, only losing approx 95 potency from the first 5 GCDs. Net bonus of about 52 potency overall.

If #1 is false, and you can not consistently squeeze ToD in and risk losing GL3, you would have to delay ToD until the next BS>True>Demo which results in a loss of approx 170 potency (about 17 sec into rotation with no ToD).. Even though it's 417 potency, you are losing 170 from the first bit of no ToD, which is a net loss of about 23 potency overall

In my opener it's Shoulder > PB > Dem > Snap > Snap > Tw > DK > ToD > BS > Tr > Dem, and I can safely say it consistently does retain GL3 from the 3rd attack to the Demolish at the end. You do need a little bit of SS, just a little, but if you're rolling with HA weapon I think just that's enough.

[whiskeybravo]

'sup again!
Soooo. We looked over our ACT and our SCH was wondering why I only pop PB once in a fight. I am REALLY honest.. I never did it otherwise - only as opening. But then everyone including other monks in voice chat was like "omg whaaat" and now I feel really bad. Heh. What they said did make sense, but I rather ask monk theorycrafter to confirm it ;__; So in a fight I woudn't lose GL3 (T8), is it better to pop PB during my rotations and spam True Strike?

Yes.. Just keep in mind you won't have a stance afterwards which will put GL3 at risk if timed wrong. You could do 4 True Strike end it with a Snap or Demo.