Coil 5 changes needed

[Delorean]

Agreed. +1

Okay, so let's say you could queue up for Turn 6 & 7. Notoriously easy stuff.

Pray tell, what exactly might you practice? How to increase your tolerance for sitting in long queues only to abruptly end a dungeon with a vote abandon? How to watch someone do something wrong over and over again so badly that you can't even see another phase of a fight without getting irritated?

I have no doubt it will eventually be added, but it really won't be all that you might believe it's cracked up to be.

[Kuwagami]

Okay, so let's say you could queue up for Turn 6 & 7. Notoriously easy stuff.

Pray tell, what exactly might you practice? How to increase your tolerance for sitting in long queues only to abruptly end a dungeon with a vote abandon? How to watch someone do something wrong over and over again so badly that you can't even see another phase of a fight without getting irritated?

I have no doubt it will eventually be added, but it really won't be all that you might believe it's cracked up to be.

rather than DF, I'd like to seen echo on T6-9. blah blah blah not needed but easier to catch up and then go tackle T10-13

...why not both!

It takes too long to kill even with people who've cleared many times. I would like that 20% echo to farm turns super fast.

oh sure both. But if something has to come first, I'd like echo before DF ^_^

[Exstal]

rather than DF, I'd like to seen echo on T6-9.

...why not both!

It takes too long to kill even with people who've cleared many times. I would like that 20% echo to farm turns super fast.

[Fornix]

...why not both!

It takes too long to kill even with people who've cleared many times. I would like that 20% echo to farm turns super fast.

Even with 20% echo buff it'd still take a long time to farm T9. Way too much time in the fight is not lost upon DPS, but on mechanics. The wait in between drop of first green comets and golem spawns. The wait after golem deaths till new comet drops. Once more the wait between green comet drops and golem spawns. The wait for nael to come crashing down again. The heavensfall durations. The duration of divebomb phases. And may even have missed some elements still. Ultimately there's probably around 2 minutes of non-DPS phases like that in the fight, of which easily half of that time could be nibbled off and still make the fight perfectly doable for farm groups.

[Empressia]

rather than DF, I'd like to seen echo on T6-9. blah blah blah not needed but easier to catch up and then go tackle T10-13



oh sure both. But if something has to come first, I'd like echo before DF ^_^

Then dun even think about trying final coil if u really need echo for 2nd coil

[Kuwagami]

Then dun even think about trying final coil if u really need echo for 2nd coil

have you even read what I wrote ?

not needed but easier to catch up and then go tackle T10-13

odds are my group started to work on T6 2 days ago, 2 hours on it so far. echo would just push us (dps is slow to start on middle bulb) enough to go through. We have the hang of every mechanic of P1 and P2, our only problem comes from slow dps on middle bulb (lag on free weekend mostly, we still have to re enter).

Echo is not needed and will never be needed. It just helps.

[KarstenS]

Then dun even think about trying final coil if u really need echo for 2nd coil

have you even read what I wrote ?

not needed but easier to catch up and then go tackle T10-13

odds are my group started to work on T6 2 days ago, 2 hours on it so far. echo would just push us (dps is slow to start on middle bulb) enough to go through. We have the hang of every mechanic of P1 and P2, our only problem comes from slow dps on middle bulb (lag on free weekend mostly, we still have to re enter).

No. It would not ease catching up. If your DPS is not high enough to get your described issues away without echo you don't need to enter FCoB. For T10+ you will need really high DPS. Our group DPS was not really bad for SCoB. No second bee (T6). Phase push to alagan field at the end of the last 2 tower set (T8). Phase change to the last phase within the second heavens fall (T9). But at our first time we reached the "Enrage" in T10, the boss still had 23% of life left. Groups that need echo for "clean" kills in SCoB will see no light in what is coming after.

I'll put it this way; if I'm playing a team-based FPS and one of my teammates sucks, it doesn't mean that I lose every round.

As far as I remember, muiltiplayer FPS is PvP. You can't compare PvP with PvE.

[Kuwagami]

No. It would not ease catching up. If your DPS is not high enough to get your described issues away without echo you don't need to enter FCoB. For T10+ you will need really high DPS. Our group DPS was not really bad for SCoB. No second bee (T6). Phase push to alagan field at the end of the last 2 tower set (T8). Phase change to the last phase within the second heavens fall (T9). But at our first time we reached the "Enrage" in T10, the boss still had 23% of life left. Groups that need echo for "clean" kills in SCoB will see no light in what is coming after.

except we won't be in i110 so we'll have more dps, and it's just a way to go faster (and circumvent lag on dps bursts). And tbh, I couldn't care less of other groups' performances. I'd just enjoy echo, that's it.