Missed ONE >>1<< Duty Finder commence, and now I have 30 minutes penalty.

[Fellisin]

So? Thats not ONE person getting multiple withdraws thats a party of trolls juggling strikes as a whole. Thats not a loophole of one person getting 6/3 strikes thats multiple people getting 2/3. That is not a loophole that is called trolling.

Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.

Welcome to the new police state that is FFXIV. Maybe just maybe Yoshi and co need to worry more about making quality content or ACTUALLY fixing the duty finder instead of trying to police the player base something would get done.

The fact is the current penalty system for withdrawing or not hitting commence is lazy and was not thought out very well. Here's an idea instead of the new penalize everyone, they hide the in progress bar, make in progress work as in if you check in progress you get in progress or take it out completely. There is no need for them to do what they did when all they had to do was fix the current system. I just gave 3 options that would have worked better than this pile of steaming crap they gave us.

Yet withdrawals have drop massively.

[Rysir]

Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.

But then at the end of the day they are only hurting themselves unlike today which they can hurt everyone. Are you saying you have no issue with people hopping into your party and giving you 3 strikes when it could be changed so only that one person who has nothing better to do but be a pain get the strikes?

[Fellisin]

But then at the end of the day they are only hurting themselves unlike today which they can hurt everyone. Are you saying you have no issue with people hopping into your party and giving you 3 strikes when it could be changed so only that one person who has nothing better to do but be a pain get the strikes?

I recognise the necessity of it. If someone gave me 3 strikes then I would eat the 30 minute penalty, be pretty annoyed by it and then never party with that person again.

Really I stilll see withdrawls a lot of them.

Yes but I doubt as much as before.

[Rysir]

I recognise the necessity of it. If someone gave me 3 strikes then I would eat the 30 minute penalty, be pretty annoyed by it and then never party with that person again.



Yes but I doubt as much as before.

What is the necessity? The person who joined with the goal of slapping a penalty on everyone got what they wanted and a party of people are punished for legitimately wanting to play. If their goal was to get the penalty and take others with them then the current system accomplishes nothing. Singular member strikes would only add up maybe 10 seconds of queue time from the non offenders while current system takes 30 mins away. Not working as intended.

[Fellisin]

What is the necessity? The person who joined with the goal of slapping a penalty on everyone got what they wanted and a party of people are punished for legitimately wanting to play. If their goal was to get the penalty and take others with them then the current system accomplishes nothing. Singular member strikes would only add up maybe 10 seconds of queue time from the non offenders while current system takes 30 mins away. Not working as intended.

To stop collective pooling of strikes, as explained before.

[Rysir]

To stop collective pooling of strikes, as explained before.

But how would collective pooling happen? The party leader would have to be A. One of the trolls (which then you can just leave the party without a penalty) or B. be so stupid they would invite the troll's friend when asked. You are assuming every player in the game is dumb as a rock.

[Fellisin]

But how would collective pooling happen? The party leader would have to be A. One of the trolls (which then you can just leave the party without a penalty) or B. be so stupid they would invite the troll's friend when asked. You are assuming every player in the game is dumb as a rock.

No I'm not. I already explained before, if you cannot be bothered to actually read what's point of trying explain fir a third time.

[Elim]

To stop collective pooling of strikes, as explained before.

Here's the thing. To stop that they could simply make it so if you withdraw in a party YOU automatically get a 30 minute penalty...or something along those lines. Basically withdrawing in parties could result in a much harsher personal penalty. There is no need to penalize the entire party.

The main reason I'm against party-wide penalties is that it DISCOURAGES play with strangers. You wont always be the party leader when you PUG so you can't be in control of when the lead puts the party in DF. If the leads a nub or simply uninformed he may not know to party check or ask if everyone is there. You can always tell the leader when you join, but some people will get mad at you. They'll think you assumed they're new or whatever. Anyway, new features should never discourage party play.

[Giantbane]

Here's the thing. To stop that they could simply make it so if you withdraw in a party YOU automatically get a 30 minute penalty...or something along those lines. Basically withdrawing in parties could result in a much harsher personal penalty. There is no need to penalize the entire party.

Except what on earth for. A group withdrawing from the queue is no worse than an individual that withdraws. When you have 3/3, 6/6, 14/15 and the last DPS times out of an ST queue it's just as bad as if a full group withdrew.

[maxthunder1]

Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.



Yet withdrawals have drop massively.

Really I stilll see withdrawls a lot of them.