DF Lockout needs to be adjusted/looked at/reviewed

[Giantbane]

You underestimate the persistence of people. Back in the Brayflox SR days I watched the PF a few times and saw the same person looking for a very specific party makeup sitting in the PF for what would have amounted to about 5 or 6 runs even with a less than optimal speedrun setup all because they refused to go with a setup that wouldn't get them runs under 5 minutes. Unless they planned to SR for a couple of hours they weren't going to make up the time they wasted in the PF because their conditions were too specific. I saw this on several occasions. People will take 10-15 min+ queues with "In Progress" up for the chance of getting a 2/3.

I would also obscure the progress by displaying only 0/1 like CT/ST does so people could not fish for 2/3 in progress. If they *really* want in progress, let them take their chances they'll end up with a 15 minute wait and a 0/3 run. However, the result is you'll never have a withdraw due to fishing ever again.

[Lithera]

I would also obscure the progress by displaying only 0/1 like CT/ST does so people could not fish for 2/3 in progress. If they *really* want in progress, let them take their chances they'll end up with a 15 minute wait and a 0/3 run. However, the result is you'll never have a withdraw due to fishing ever again.

The CT/ST fishers didn't care one iota that they couldn't see the progress. They still kept fishing. They don't anymore. Problem solved. In Progress Only will just screw DPS even more.

[Giantbane]

The CT/ST fishers didn't care one iota that they couldn't see the progress. They still kept fishing. They don't anymore. Problem solved. In Progress Only will just screw DPS even more.

A few people determined enough to sit through lengthy queues just for a chance at a 2/3 that they won't know they got till they entered the dungeon will probably be balanced out with additional interest from people because they *can* join as in progress only. And you have to remember there's only so many in progress runs available. All of those runs are currently taken by people who click "in progress optional". With "in progress only" available, more "in progress optional" people will be pushed into fresh dungeons. You'll also get some DPS who will switch over to "in progress only" because they're as crazy as the people as you described. The net effect is likely very little impact on the queue times of DPS.

In other words, I don't agree.

Besides, you have to recognize CT/ST isn't just people fishing. Part of it is needing 24 people to all hit "ready" at roughly the same time. That's a lot of chances to fail, I'm sure many of the withdraws are people AFK or whatever. It's the reason CT/ST can still get hit with multiple withdraws even after this change.