DF Lockout needs to be adjusted/looked at/reviewed

[IfritReborn]

If you are queuing alone, you earn the penalty by yourself. If you and your misbehaving brat boys want to misbehave in your partially formed party, you all get to earn the penalty together, just like the cops will haul all of you off to jail for getting into a drunken brawl at a bar. You don't get to turn a blind eye or deaf ear to your friends bad behavior, nor do they to you. You are to hold each other accountable and behave properly and not look to abuse other players using the DF.

And is it really that hard to not withdraw 3 times? And the penalty is too light at 30 minutes after screwing around 3 times. It was working good the first couple days, no withdraws whatsoever, but by yesterday you were getting multiple withdraws when the queue pops.

What is wrong with you? You have this incredibly disturbing want to see other ppl be punished. You need to seek help. The professional kind

[Giantbane]

Actually that is how many Asian schools operate and strangely enough they don't have the behavior problems you get in the U.S. like those schools in south central in the LAUSD.

BTW even in the U.S. football coaches have been known to do this to great effect. It gets the group together to straighten out the people that are causing problems. And an extreme example of such the what the Roman legions did when they lost their battles, they had to execute one of every 10 in the squad which leads to the root meaning of the word decimate.

If you are queuing alone, you earn the penalty by yourself. If you and your misbehaving brat boys want to misbehave in your partially formed party, you all get to earn the penalty together, just like the cops will haul all of you off to jail for getting into a drunken brawl at a bar. You don't get to turn a blind eye or deaf ear to your friends bad behavior, nor do they to you. You are to hold each other accountable and behave properly and not look to abuse other players using the DF.

You have a talent for massive over exaggeration. Look I get it. You're wholly selfish and can't stand that the rest of the game's population isn't catering to ensuring that you aren't hindered a minute. It's not even enough that this is in. Other threads you're advocating increasing the punishment, because you still get people withdrawing from the queue. So you wish to double down on these draconian measures because obviously it's not enough.

Seriously, I hope you're never in a group and get stuck with this penalty due to someone else's actions. And if you do, given your winning personality, I hope you can respond with restraint so you don't get banned.

[IfritReborn]

It is your fault for not holding your friend accountable. My FC member did this once, I immediately lectured all of them. No one got the penalty since. You got to hold people accountable for proper decorum and behavior.

And how was I supposed to know what that the party leader received a tell from someone and would invite them in!?

HELLO am I mind-reader?! This is a party finder group you neanderthal were all strangers! And now the bonus window is all done, 30+ time has been wasted thanks to this incredibly obtuse crummy system.
/clap SE, good job yet again!

[NyarukoW]

..You're wholly selfish ...

I am selfish because I support SE decision to require everyone to not abuse the DF? The sun must also rises from the west.

I always make sure I am ready when I queue on DF so that I do not keep others waiting out of common courtesy and having that level of respect being reinforced by the new DF penalty rules is selfish?

And how was I supposed to know what that the party leader received a tell from someone and would invite them in!?

HELLO am I mind-reader?! This is a party finder group you neanderthal were all strangers!

And you did this 3 times and didn't learn from the first 2 times? Don't join random PFs of irresponsible PF leaders. You should blacklist them and direct your ire at them. He had NO business valuing some random tell over the rest of the group. Hold him accountable. Report him to GM if he doesn't apologize to you for trolling you.

[Cynfael]

And how was I supposed to know what that the party leader received a tell from someone and would invite them in!?

HELLO am I mind-reader?! This is a party finder group you neanderthal were all strangers! And now the bonus window is all done, 30+ time has been wasted thanks to this incredibly obtuse crummy system.
/clap SE, good job yet again!

I'd be more upset with the party who trolled you than with SE.

There is no perfect system. On the bright side, other parties in that same queue were no longer delayed by the defective party that you unfortunately found yourself in. Short of a DM being on standby to figure out who exactly in the party is naughty vs. nice, this is about the best we've got.

[Kaze3434]

Prime example. Garuda bonus window is up.
Someone has a PF group up for Garuda.
Couple of us join but it's not a full party. Party leader closes PF and ques group up.
Party leader receives a tell, he invites the person into the group.

Party makeup has changed. Your registration is withdrawn.

Why am I locked out of DF for 30 minutes?
I thought it was 3 strikes withdrawing when the que had popped! That's 30 minutes of the bonus window GONE! Through no fault of my own! How was this a good idea?

unless commence or withdraw came up, you didnt get locked out. stop lying/exaggerating.

[IfritReborn]

I am selfish because I support SE decision to require everyone to not abuse the DF? The sun must also rises from the west.

I always make sure I am ready when I queue on DF so that I do not keep others waiting out of common courtesy and having that level of respect being reinforced by the new DF penalty rules is selfish?



And you did this 3 times and didn't learn from the first 2 times? Don't join random PFs of irresponsible PF leaders. You should blacklist them and direct your ire at them. He had NO business valuing some random tell over the rest of the group. Hold him accountable. Report him to GM if he doesn't apologize to you for trolling you.

Clearly you have difficulty reading. We didn't withdraw 3 times, we joined the group. Qued. Party leader invited someone who had sent him a tell, but that person accepted the invite late and withdrew us from the que LOCKING us out! NO ONE was to blame for this except the system SE created.

[Giantbane]

I am selfish because I support SE decision to require everyone to not abuse the DF?

No, because you're so caught up in how this effects you personally, you just don't care how it effects others.

[Souljacker]

I just can't believe some of the comments in these threads. SE shouldn't embrace penalties, they should embrace solutions to the problems. This matter wouldn't even be a discussion if the queues were properly designed in the first place. I also think it's entirely unhealthy for them to be encouraging players to want to see one another punished.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Then what should Square do?