DF Lockout needs to be adjusted/looked at/reviewed

[Giantbane]

If you didn't receive 2 strikes earlier in the day, then this would probably be a bug and you should make a report.

But I agree with NyarukoW. The whole party is wasting other people's time by withdrawing when df pops. The members should have encouraged a ready check beforehand, and the leader should have ensured everything was ready and finalised before entering the df. This group penalty is a very good example of how one's irresponsible actions can affect others (even if they're in the same party), and therefore will help teach the community to be more considerate of others.


Of course, SE can modify the system to only penalize the leader (in your case) or the member(s) who clicked the withdraw button/allowed it to time out, but I am already very satisfied with this current design.

They aren't wasting anyone's time more than an individual withdrawing from the queue. In fact they're actually wasting fewer people's time as a group than an individual does. Think about it. If a group of 7 joins a queue for 8 person content, and the group of 7 withdraws, they are only wasting 1 other person's time. If an individual joins a queue for 8 person content and then withdraws, they are wasting 7 people's time. Sounds worse to me when the individual does it.

So what's the reason to punish the whole group for one person's actions again?

Heh, next time tell your fellow players to stop fishing for inprogress queues and trolling the queue - SE wouldn't have listened to the pleas to fix that situation. So it was done for good reason. This is a game to pay to access, you don't even own your characters if we're to get technical.

Also: Three. Strikes. It's not something that happens instantly.

Read my sig. What you're complaining about does not exist.

[Tupsi]

Read my sig. What you're complaining about does not exist.

Tested it - I didn't get punished..so...? Did you even read the announcement in the update? There's 3 strikes and it only happens in a partial party. So if the person who withdrew didn't have 3 strikes already, it's a bug which as said, report it in the appropriate section - If not, you already wasted most of your strikes and got punished as per the new system.

Also, do you know what the definition of complaining is? It was a statement, not a complaint - SE did this change because people wanted them to hinder those who waste our time with constant withdraws.

[Giantbane]

Tested it - I didn't get punished..so...? Did you even read the announcement in the update? There's 3 strikes and it only happens in a partial party. So if the person who withdrew didn't have 3 strikes already, it's a bug which as said, report it in the appropriate section - If not, you already wasted most of your strikes and got punished as per the new system.

Also, do you know what the definition of complaining is? It was a statement, not a complaint - SE did this change because people wanted them to hinder those who waste our time with constant withdraws.

What you quoted about this not being kindergarten was talking about giving a strike to the partial party when one person withdraws.

You said:

Heh, next time tell your fellow players to stop fishing for inprogress queues and trolling the queue - SE wouldn't have listened to the pleas to fix that situation. So it was done for good reason.

groups cannot fish for in progress queues
groups don't have any easier time trolling the queue than an individual does

So my response was, that whatever you were "statementing" about does not happen in groups. Thus it's a terrible reason to use to give a strike to the whole group for what one person does.

[Lazearus]

They aren't wasting anyone's time more than an individual withdrawing from the queue. In fact they're actually wasting fewer people's time as a group than an individual does. Think about it. If a group of 7 joins a queue for 8 person content, and the group of 7 withdraws, they are only wasting 1 other person's time. If an individual joins a queue for 8 person content and then withdraws, they are wasting 7 people's time. Sounds worse to me when the individual does it.

So what's the reason to punish the whole group for one person's actions again?

And that is why SE's method is good. 7 people who wasted the time of 1 person's will receive the same punishment as the single person who wasted the time of the 7 others. Do you really want SE to punish the single person who withdrew from an ST queue with a 23X30min penalty?

Anyway, in a party, each member must be proactive in ensuring everyone else is ready and prepared before entering the instance. This is precisely why every member will get the penalty because they are partly responsible.

Once again, I am okay with changing the system to punish only those responsible, but this current system is already good enough for me.

[Giantbane]

And that is why SE's method is good. 7 people who wasted the time of 1 person's will receive the same punishment as the single person who wasted the time of the 7 others. Do you really want SE to punish the single person who withdrew from an ST queue with a 23X30min penalty?

Anyway, in a party, each member must be proactive in ensuring everyone else is ready and prepared before entering the instance. This is precisely why every member will get the penalty because they are partly responsible.

How on earth could you possibly read what I wrote and think I wanted to punish the single person with 23x the penalty.

In both cases the person who withdrew is the one wasting everyone's time. He's even wasting his own groups time. 1 person clicked withdraw or was AFK, 1 person is solely responsible. This just actively discourages players from grouping with random people because they *might* give you strikes. Do you honestly think the game needs more of that?

How this system handles partial groups sucks.