Increase DF speeds by setting weekly lockouts per role

[Fornix]

mmhmm~ While the OP's suggestion is good, it doesn't help alleviate the core problem. I'd rather the devs sit down and come together and learn exactly /why/ people don't want to play as tanks or healers. Instead of offering backdoor style incentives to get more people playing these roles. All the incentives in the world won't help players that for whatever reason's magically make them suddenly find a role they find un-fun to play suddenly fun to play.

I'm all for gearing up alternate roles but I guess that's what the CT/ST/??? line is meant for.

The devs can sit together all year long, however the problem will never be resolved. After all, for starters one of the most important reasons on as to why people dislike tanking or healing is the abuse involved upon error. If a tank is inexperienced and loses threat, or if a healer fails to keep players up during a boss encounter, you may as well feed yourself to the wolves and undergo a general more pleasant experience.

The level of harrassment and disrespect towards other players in PUGs is very high in western MMO servers.

Tanks and healers also fail to make much of an impact in DPS in this game. This may be something in which devs can spice things up. Mob (elemental) weaknesses could be introduced. Undead targets as such may be weak against holy damage by healers, 200 ~ 300% damage. Slow mobs may be weak against damage input coming from heavy weaponry (1H sword, 2H sword, Axes). Etcetera. That way tanking classes and healing classes would not only just be a tool to make it possible for DPS classes to get through an encounter. But they'd actually have some DPS characteristics themselves.

[Kiara1]

I am actually leveling a new character right now that is a tank. Because if I get it to levlel 50 on my main it will always be 20-30 ilvls behind my other classes.

I like the idea of "tanktomes" "healingtomes" "dpstomes"
Because this game is soo bad at the class system. I actually started playinh cause i thought it was cool that one character could be all the classes.
but i dont think they are doing very well and should maybe either make it more multirole friendly or limit one class per character. Now its something in between

[Aylis]

The level of harrassment and disrespect towards other players in PUGs is very high in western MMO servers.

Sorta what I was leaning on what really needs to change to get people to want to play these classes more. Getting yelled at and screamed at i would think for anyone isn't very fun and all and would offer the adverse effects of trying to get more players playing these classes. Myself included, I enjoy playing healers, its something while yes I'm not perfect at. I am human and make mistakes like everyone else. I've all but retired playing SCH just simply because its not worth the headaches of getting screamed at for a mistake. So I save my healing and tanking for other games where a small mistake doesn't mean a full wipe and keep my DPS self for FFXIV.

Can it be fixed or changed? Absolutely. Lesser "oh dear" moments for healers and better utility for tanks could have an impact to making the roles a little more lenient to play. The stricter the demands, the heaver of a burden the less that will be willing to play it.

That said too I really do like your idea to make tanks and healer have at least a little more impact to encounters, its a start to make the jobs a little more interesting to play.

[Delorean]

Or the developers could just figure out a way to make tanking more appealing to players.

Like, personally, I don't have a problem with tanking the way that it is. But I feel that it is fairly evident that most players do. And I believe that it falls to SE to make tanks more fun to play.

I hear a lot of common arguments why people don't tank. "The party might be very critical of my ability (or lackthereof) and may abandon me or kick me out of the group" or "I don't want to have to take charge." Yet these same reasons still apply other classes and they put up with them and play their class.

I just feel like a lot of people don't find tanking very fun at all. It is a Tank's job to survive and hold threat, but for light party content it can get really boring. And during some raid encounters (thought significantly less so), it can be daydream inducing because there is simply no challenge. And if you do see an opportunity for challenge, it's a challenge you have to choose whether or not to place upon your group. They may not be able to handle it as well as you'd like.

Tanks just feel so cumbersome in their implementation in many platforms of PvE across many games if you ask me. And the sooner that is addressed the sooner DPS everywhere can look forward to more reasonable queue times.

[Felis]

I am actually leveling a new character right now that is a tank. Because if I get it to levlel 50 on my main it will always be 20-30 ilvls behind my other classes.

Only time limit you to get soldiery i110 gear fo all classes (and the amount of luck for ST drop roll)

[Fornix]

I hear a lot of common arguments why people don't tank. "The party might be very critical of my ability (or lackthereof) and may abandon me or kick me out of the group" or "I don't want to have to take charge." Yet these same reasons still apply other classes and they put up with them and play their class.

Mwuah, I disagree on the notion that the same applies to DPS classes. As quite simply, it's not as apparent if one of the DPS classes screws up greatly. Running a parser the DPS charts in a dungeon would often be something like:

DPS A 250
Me 110
DPS B 70
Healer 60

DPS B in that scenario is doing a very, very poor job. However, has no accountability for it whatsoever. Simply because it's not as apparent. It doesn't lead to a group wipe as quickly. And without third party tools contribution of DPS A vs DPS B would be nothing more than a mere guess. And even if a DPS does die repeatedly, it tends to simply be passed upon as if nothing happened. The person is raised, perhaps a few times, and not a single word is spoken about it.

[Sapphic]

You can play all roles, it's only for newest coil that is preferable to have top end gear, everything else can be done with previous tier gear. Just because you are gearing up a DPS job, does not mean you have to run dungeons on that job! I main MNK for coil, I run DF as either tank, healer or DPS and initially use the tomes to gear up MNK, then tank, then healer. But you can still gear up your other roles, presently, with soldiery which isnt capped. 110 is enough for all content, including final coil.

So whats the problem?

[Einheri]

Or the developers could just figure out a way to make tanking more appealing to players.

Like, personally, I don't have a problem with tanking the way that it is. But I feel that it is fairly evident that most players do. And I believe that it falls to SE to make tanks more fun to play.

I hear a lot of common arguments why people don't tank. "The party might be very critical of my ability (or lackthereof) and may abandon me or kick me out of the group" or "I don't want to have to take charge." Yet these same reasons still apply other classes and they put up with them and play their class.

I just feel like a lot of people don't find tanking very fun at all. It is a Tank's job to survive and hold threat, but for light party content it can get really boring. And during some raid encounters (thought significantly less so), it can be daydream inducing because there is simply no challenge. And if you do see an opportunity for challenge, it's a challenge you have to choose whether or not to place upon your group. They may not be able to handle it as well as you'd like.

Tanks just feel so cumbersome in their implementation in many platforms of PvE across many games if you ask me. And the sooner that is addressed the sooner DPS everywhere can look forward to more reasonable queue times.

Personality of the player can determine enjoyment from tanking as much or more then mechics/playstyle, hell even dps.

Look at wow. In there last xpac with the vengence buff tanks were dps who wanted agro. But they still weren't popular. they have combos and rotations just like dps. Threat per second is as important as dps, damage mitigation can be as exciting huge crits. Timing cool downs and abilities to survive as a dps would to maximize damage.

I mean the game play for dps can be extremely boring. Here is a boss ill do my rotation for 5 minutes he will Die. Oh look look stuff on the ground shift right continue rotion. Some fights require more and for some people going for the high score (high dps) is exciting.

For some controlling the fight, having good timing, controlling pace, protecting your comrades is exciting.

Now the big difference comes with accountability. Your a bad tank, people will die. You sneeze and miss a cool down people will die. Need to move a boss and train a cleave to your party people will die. Lack gear people will die. Need to gather adds or people will die. Need to kite just right so people dont die. Had the boss in the wrong spot at the wrong time people die.

Its very noticble when a tank fails. Some people dont want to be in the spot light. Have you ever been in an encounter as a dps a kicked ass, carried a team and no one noticed? Have you linked your damage charts when no one asked to show how good a dd you are? Tanks survive or die and every one sees. Its obvious when they do well or fail. For some its what they want or don't want.

If a dd and tank played exactly the same, did the same damage had the same resposibiltys in a fight the only difference being that one got punched in the face while the other didn't. The latter will still be more popular.

[Adelard]

You can't force people to play other roles.

[Aylis]

Mwuah, I disagree on the notion that the same applies to DPS classes. As quite simply, it's not as apparent if one of the DPS classes screws up greatly.

Pretty much this. The spotlight shines the most heavy on the tank and healer on stage and are expected to continually give a Grade A no lines or dance steps missed performance worthy of an Emmy each dungeon. While the DPS are maybe in the running for Golden Globes for supporting cast members.

Some people like the spot light and that's okay, if the que times are any indication however most do not. I can't say I blame them either. The difference between playing a game happy and in peace vs being put under a microscope every breath they take.