Ninja damage insane over monk

[SolarMisae]

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Well, they also didn't have a warrior keeping storm's eye up so that number could have been even higher with that in mind. And where are these drgs who do 470 with no buffs at all and how long are these parses? With buffs I pull about 470 or so if I parse till I run dry on TP. I must suck if I'm supposed to do that without buffs. :<

It just feels like ninja brings so much more to the party as a whole as well. They bring a 10% damage debuff for 10sec every minute for the whole party, and goad also means less tp song for the bard to play meaning they don't take dps hits. Even if they dps about the same, ninja wins on sheer utility while still outputting equal or more dps. Only exception I see to this would be maybe if you have 2 bards in your party disembowel becomes the better choice.

[dday3six]

That video makes me wonder why drg exists now. :<

Dragoon buffs Bard damage, something people often seem to overlook. I know we're talking individual damage, but it's something to consider with the question of why play Dragoon. Ninja with similar damage, yet more utility is imo more likely to replace Monk in raids rather then Dragoon.

[silentwindfr]

don't forget that the ninja is already create with the 3.0 in the mind, we don't know how will change the jobs like drg or mnk with the 3.0... without forget a lot of this jobs have still skill coming from the V1 that wasn't very balanced and such.
like i have said on another thread, theorycrafting is nice, but it's still only theorycraft. only a small portion of the playerbase will be able to pull the perfect cycle all the time. play what you like with your friend that all.

Dragoon buffs Bard damage, something people often seem to overlook. I know we're talking individual damage, but it's something to consider with the question of why play Dragoon. Ninja with similar damage, yet more utility is imo more likely to replace Monk in raids rather then Dragoon.

good ninja will probably, but like said, it will be harder than it seems, it's not without reason that ninja have almost no position recquired for him combo... it's because your mind will need to learn and master the jutsu inside the cycle while avoiding aoe and respecting pattern. dummy parseer are nice, but they are still far from reality!

[Leonus]

I'll have to find the video.

The 10% damage buff mire or less equates to the disembowel that drgs keep up at (almost) all times. It's only once a minute too. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but not head over heels in comparison to what drg does for brd with disembowel or what mnks can do for each other.

Goad is awesome, no denying that. Though it should not replace brds doing tp regeneration song. It's once every two minutes and more than likely will have a priority system along with it. Tanks if they need it 》mnk/drg/other nin lol 》 brd ( let's be honest, if a brd asks for goad, chances are the other dps are running low on their tp reserves as well).

I mean, nin is very good ( love the job ) but drg will still have a place. I also really like drg. If you think about it, if you have a brd in you pt, you may want a drg and nin and not necessarily a nin and mnk. There is more party chemistry there.

[dday3six]

good ninja will probably, but like said, it will be harder than it seems, it's not without reason that ninja have almost no position recquired for him combo... it's because your mind will need to learn and master the jutsu inside the cycle while avoiding aoe and respecting pattern. dummy parseer are nice, but they are still far from reality!

A fair point. However I believe many people have issues with Mudra timing because they are so use to mashing. I compare it to Paladins who are able to Stun in fights. They have learned if they slow down, just a touch rather than mashing for the next skill, they are better able to use Shield Bash.

[SolarMisae]

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Yeah, I can see ninja/drg working very well if you have a bard. Gotta wonder if that would result in higher party dps...

[ShaolinMike]

I'll have to find the video.

The 10% damage buff mire or less equates to the disembowel that drgs keep up at (almost) all times. It's only once a minute too. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but not head over heels in comparison to what drg does for brd with disembowel or what mnks can do for each other.

Except that it benefits the entire party, not just one job.

[Kalamari]

Finished leveling my NIN yesterday, some gripes I've got from a MNK PoV:

- Far superior sustained AoE from Doton + enhanced Death Blossom (IB4 AoE doesn't matter at all in this game, yadadee yadadoo)
- High burst and lower ramp up time than MNK, Huton can be buffed pre-fight and dots applied within 3 GCDs after pull, if you got a Warrior you can also skip applying slash debuff
- Almost no position requirements, but their rotation is complex enough to forgive this one
- Sustained single target very close to MNK, probably higher when mechanics force MNK to drop GL
- Knife Throw (rarely Fuma Shuriken) as ranged damage options when forced out of melee or kiting

All these above I can forgive to an extend, however Trick Attack is for all intends and purposes overpowered in its current form. Near MNK level sustained dps coupled with a 10% group damage buff, brings NIN's damage potential way past that of a MNK and DRG. Not to mention it serves as the games only raid damage cooldown, which is simply amazing for Titan Heart like boss mechanics, on a fricking 1 minute cooldown. MNK/DRG/BLM/SMN/BRD have nothing comparable in their arsenals. A 5% damage buff every 1 minute would still be powerful but more reasonable.

That said, it was probably intentional to release NIN in a slightly overtuned state, partly to compensate for the lack of experience players still have playing NIN.

[Leonus]

Except that it benefits the entire party, not just one job.

I know, but it's once a minute and not almost the entire fight.

boost the entire parties damage for 1 minute in a 6 minute fight.

Boost a party members damage for 5 minutes and 45 seconds out of a 6 minute fight.

people are really overreacting to it. All the unnecessary attention is gonna get it an unwarranted nerf.

Give it some time before people call it broken.

[Starkbeaumont]

people are really overreacting to it. All the unnecessary attention is gonna get it an unwarranted nerf.

Give it some time before people call it broken.

This, so much!