Cash shop confirmed

[Fellisin]

Interesting that you used the fat chocobo as the example rather than the Coeurl. The fat choco was given to me much later than the Coeurl and at no extra cost.

Yes but to get that fat chocobo, you would've had to buy or have been brought the collectors edition and then registered it to your account. Only reason you've got the fat chocobo later was because it was part of the CE for the ps4 and then the fat chocobo was given to all people who had previously registered a CE to their account.

So tocsin point still stands that a normal sub doesn't get you a fat chocobo.

[Jandor]

Yes but to get that fat chocobo, you would've had to buy or have been brought the collectors edition and then registered it to your account. Only reason you've got the fat chocobo later was because it was part of the CE for the ps4 and then the fat chocobo was given to all people who had previously registered a CE to their account.

So tocsin point still stands that a normal sub doesn't get you a fat chocobo.

Yes it does, just thought a "free" surprise extra that wasn't part of the initial deal was an odd example to use.


Anyway, I think people are slightly talking past each other. Everyone has known from the beginning that the game + sub doesn't get you everything due to the Collectors Edition existing, however a Collectors Edition is very rarely the beginning of the end for a game. I'm struggling to think of an example of a subscription game adding a cash shop resulting in the game becoming better overall.

If the cash shop items were tradeable in game I think the whole issue would cease to exist.
SE gets that precious "whale" money, your poorer subscribers can still get the items through grind, the impact of gil sellers is lessened as SE effectively steps into the market, and people don't have to worry about development time be diverted to the cash shop.
Extra money for SE, less gil sellers and all the content available to everyone, it's win/win/win (items & vanity are content people, especially in a game as pretty as FFXIV.)

[Edellis]

[the cash shop] violates the spirit of this game and everything I've seen from it so far. When I see an exciting new item in a preview, you want my first reaction to be "I can't wait to get that!" not, "Wow, I hope it's not cash-only." And that's what I'm going to think from now on.

This, this is 100% my feeling on this matter, and the reason i'm now against it, because it happened to me yesterday. This sort of feeling is the main reason i pay the $15 subscription fee, and actually feel like i'm getting my monies worth regardless of how long i play. One of the main reasons i stuck with FFXIV is because of all the "useless" content in the game that's weaved into crafting, questing and otherwise just playing the game. It's the reason i'm able to enjoy FFXIV as if it were one of the PSX/SNES standalone titles. But now, one of the most aesthetically pleasing features of the game has been cracked wide open and the playerbase is under constant threat of exploitation. And already, I feel like my $15 subscription fee has lost its value.


Fantaisa and Server Exchange, i had no issue with. I'm also completely fine with seasonal and special event content, especially if they were obtainable through seasonal quests and they don't plan to run them again for years at at time. Veteran rewards? Cool, i was going to resub anyway, i'll take it.

But anything else is literally content i've already paid for, being sold to me at a premium. And that is bullshit. If i'm not (or never was) able to get it in-game, it shouldn't exist in a P2P title.

[KillyBamp]

please, people, look at some of the previous posts. both of these points have been brought up no less than 300 times a piece, and have been discussed to death.

I'm adding my stance on the subject, if it happens to be the same as 300 other people commenting on this thread, that only confirms that we are in agreement on this and SE should take note. If people don't comment, the thread dies and the cause is lost.
You yourself posted about the outrageous price of the Slepnir mount, were you the only one?
I would encourage anyone who is against this to comment regardless of repeating what others have already said and keep this thread well and truly ALIVE.

[Ghastly]

We would've gotten these new minions in game...
If only they would lower the sub now

[Tupsi]

Cash shop in a subscription game is double dipping and greedy.

By this logic charging for an expansion pack while we pay a sub is double dipping and greedy - you're paying for additional content, since you know, people say items are "content" as well. I mean, when people ask if I want to do x content, of course they're saying: "Do you want to do Potions? Or Ethers? Want to go kill Allagan Tin Coin?"

The object rendered by the engine is also content, by definition, but let's be honest, people use the term "content" for things you're doing, e.g Primal battles or Coil.

We would've gotten these new minions in game...
If only they would lower the sub now

We would have? How do you know? Where did SE state these would have been in-game minions? Last I checked we still did get minions in game. If you want a lower sub you shoulda played 1.x and gotten legacy status

[Fellisin]

We would've gotten these new minions in game...
If only they would lower the sub now

Or we may have not at all.

See they could of made the items with the Cash shop solely in mind. If the cash shop did not exist neither would those items. So if they only decided to make those minions to launch their cash shop we would possibly never of saw them in game ever. As will be the possibility with any other minions and mounts in the future which appear in the cash shop.

See I can do baseless speculation as well. Although the point stands, that if they make any items solely with cash shop in mind, then those items would never appear in the game without the existence of the cash shop in first place.

Also I doubt they'll lower the subs. These are "Optional items" which is covered by the terms and conditions you agreed to when you started playing this game. It with in billing that SE may if they wish, charge additional fees for optional services and add ons. Which cash shop items would fall under.

Like it or not I doubt the cash shop is going anywhere. There is enough slepnir mounts running around at present to show them that they have a market for it now.

[Jandor]

By this logic charging for an expansion pack while we pay a sub is double dipping and greedy - you're paying for additional content

People bought in at the start knowing this would be the case. They didn't buy in expecting a cash shop.

[Damane]

By this logic charging for an expansion pack while we pay a sub is double dipping and greedy - you're paying for additional content, since you know, people say items are "content" as well. I mean, when people ask if I want to do x content, of course they're saying: "Do you want to do Potions? Or Ethers? Want to go kill Allagan Tin Coin?"

Actually we are paying the monthly fee for "Access" to the game, not for the content, they might es well not do any content and could charge you monthly. You might wanna read the ToS

[Tupsi]

Actually we are paying the monthly fee for "Access" to the game, not for the content, they might es well not do any content and could charge you monthly. You might wanna read the ToS

If you actually read the topic you'd know I already know this, but no one really would want to go through 150+ pages of doomcalling.