Cash shop confirmed

[Riviere]

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Now do the same but now for the people against the shop.

[Morningstar1337]

Idea Channel videos about fallacies

Why do I get the feeling this is going to get derailed by a certain clip at the end of the source

Anyway for neutrality's sake I made a thread about sugesstions of what the cash shop shouden't sell and limitations placed on it here

[Dwill]

The Strawman Fallacy
"You are against the cash shop because you expect to be handed all content for free."

The Ad Hominem Fallacy
"If you can't afford a few bucks to spend on a minion, you probably shouldn't be playing an MMO in the first place. Instead of being so cheap, why don't you go get a second job and stop wasting your life in a game."

The Black or White Fallacy
"Look, the subscription model just isn't viable anymore. It's either they install a cash shop, or the company goes bankrupt."

The "No true scotsman" Fallacy
"LOL @ quitting the game over cash shop. If this makes you quit then clearly you never liked this game in the first place and are not a true FF fan."

The Authority Fallacy
"Yoshi-P said the cash shop will be vanity-only! Yoshi-P said he will shut down the servers and kill this game before it ever goes Free-to-Play!!"

I can play this game too, except to a whole new level:

The Strawman Fallacy
"If you can't afford to farm mounts and minions for hours, then video games are clearly not for you and you should check your hobby."

The Ad Hominem Fallacy
"You are for the cash shop because you use your mom's wallet."

The Black or White Fallacy
"Square Enix has enough money so they don't need a cash shop."

The "No true scotsman" Fallacy
"Anyone who like this game would not support a cash shop."

The Authority Fallacy
"Yoshi-P said that free to play was an effective method of subscription therefore this game is going F2P with the cash shop. "

[RaddCuban]

Snip (God this friggin' character limit!)

Please don't start playing that game. While I applaud that you encourage people to self educate on how to become better at argument and discussion, I don't recommend you give them the tools with which to throw this around:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

[AnuheaLani]

I'm going to use it! Why yes? To Keep game alive. All the updates you see, servers you play on, workers who keep game working smoothly, memory used and updates. You think all that is free and workers work free? Players always asking, requesting and wanting more content, adjustments, more space. And yet this comes out majority is disappointed and not satisfied with there decision. Someone needs to get paid and developing and updating a game needs funding. If you disagree, go play those free MMO and see how that goes for you: )

[seida]

You think all that is free and workers work free? Players always asking, requesting and wanting more content, adjustments, more space. And yet this comes out majority is disappointed and not satisfied with there decision. Someone needs to get paid and developing and updating a game needs funding. If you disagree, go play those free MMO and see how that goes for you: )

Free? I'm sorry, what do you think the monthly sub is for? That reasoning is ridiculous.

[Vhailor]

I'm going to use it! Why yes? To Keep game alive. All the updates you see, servers you play on, workers who keep game working smoothly, memory used and updates. You think all that is free and workers work free? Players always asking, requesting and wanting more content, adjustments, more space. And yet this comes out majority is disappointed and not satisfied with there decision. Someone needs to get paid and developing and updating a game needs funding. If you disagree, go play those free MMO and see how that goes for you: )

You know, I was debating how to emphasize Xairos' point about logical fallacies in a clever way, but this is just too perfect for me to pass up (plus it saves me the effort of having to be creative). Thanks, AnuheaLani.

Edit / Addition:

Now do the same but now for the people against the shop.

This is a bit harder to do. There are certainly some examples of it, but most of the individuals opposed to the cash shop are supporting their positions with personal principles or feelings. By definition, such arguments cannot be logical fallacies - they're just statements of opinion.

In short, generally speaking, people opposed aren't making an argument at all - they're voicing an opinion. People in support are, again, generally trying to argue that their opinions are wrong; this approach practically guarantees a logical fallacy will be committed somewhere along the line.

[Riviere]

This is a bit harder to do. There are certainly some examples of it, but most of the individuals opposed to the cash shop are supporting their positions with personal principles or feelings. By definition, such arguments cannot be logical fallacies - they're just statements of opinion.

It's only hard because you prefer to look the other way. We have people saying that they are removing content from the game to put in the cash shop and that it's gonna be pay to win and free to play soon enough. We have people saying that cash shop introduced in other games has driven them to failure and forced them to go F2P. We have people saying that the ones that are ok with the shop are retarded kids using their mom's wallets. We have people saying that the ones that are ok with the shop are stupid because they want to pay money for something that should be free and are the cause of the current state in the game industry. We have people saying that because something bad happened to another game with a cash shop, it's gonna happen here as well.

Yesterday afternoon, I saw someone shouting in Ul'dah, saying that it had been announced that the game was going F2P because of the cash shop.

Let's not be hypocrites and pretend that the side that we favor is the one acting completely rational without exaggerating, making up or twisting things that have been said.

I can play this game too, except to a whole new level:

The Strawman Fallacy
"If you can't afford to farm mounts and minions for hours, then video games are clearly not for you and you should check your hobby."

The Ad Hominem Fallacy
"You are for the cash shop because you use your mom's wallet."

The Black or White Fallacy
"Square Enix has enough money so they don't need a cash shop."

The "No true scotsman" Fallacy
"Anyone who like this game would not support a cash shop."

The Authority Fallacy
"Yoshi-P said that free to play was an effective method of subscription therefore this game is going F2P with the cash shop. "

^
This guy knows what I'm talking about.

[Mysteran]

I'm going to use it! Why yes? To Keep game alive. All the updates you see, servers you play on, workers who keep game working smoothly, memory used and updates. You think all that is free and workers work free? Players always asking, requesting and wanting more content, adjustments, more space. And yet this comes out majority is disappointed and not satisfied with there decision. Someone needs to get paid and developing and updating a game needs funding. If you disagree, go play those free MMO and see how that goes for you: )

Last I checked, the subscription model was such that the company receives regular, recurring fees from the consumer so that they can do exactly what you say we are asking them to do for free. Please tell me who to contact to receive a refund of all money spent on FFXIV, since apparently they have been doing it for free all this time and I missed the memo. After all, I'm just asking that they continue to do what they have been doing so far when it comes to game updates and server maintenance.

Edited to add: Just wanted to clarify. I'm bundling the "workers who keep game working smoothly" under the game updates and server maintenance bit. Their pay is a cost of doing both of those.

[NozomiKei]

At AnuheaLani: No we don't think it's free, that's one of the reasons why we're okay with paying $8-$15+ every month! Your argument has already been discussed extensively. You would know this if you had read earlier posts in this thread.


Also, when will this stupid thing change my picture back to my current outfit?! This is just my super seduction suit, not my everyday slutty businessman outfit.